Tariffs?

[gil]

Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain the outrage. I mean, I just found this.

Before President Trump took office, what tariffs did Canada impose on U.S. goods, and what percentages were there on various products exported to the US?

Before January 1st, Canada had tariffs on certain U.S. products, primarily in sectors protected under its supply management system. These included:

Dairy Products: Tariffs ranged from 200% to 300% on items like milk, cheese, and butter to protect Canadian dairy farmers.
Poultry and Eggs: Similar high tariffs were applied to chicken, turkey, and eggs.
Grain Products: Some grains faced tariffs, though these were generally lower than those on dairy and poultry.

So, Canada charges the shit out of us, 200 to 300%....but we are the devil now that we are going to add tariffs? What am I missing here?

https://thefulcrum.us/business-democrac ... ffs-canada

This is in fact the point I think people miss, Canada isn't charging the shit out of us with their tariffs, they are charging the shit out of Canadians. They are the ones paying the tariff, not Americans. It's trump that is charging the shit out of you by imposing tariffs. A tariff is a tax applied to buying from a foreign source. Canada's tariffs make things more expensive for Canadians, trump's tariffs make things more expensive for Americans.

An example would be here in the Philippines. They grow sugar cane here, there's a sugar industry. You would think that make sugar cheap but it's not, it's incredibly expensive. That's because of the stiff tariffs imposed to protect it from foreign competition, it's become inefficient but they aren't willing to let it die. That's the thing, tariffs don't make sense. They are used basically to try and halt natural selection. Instead of allowing an industry to be replaced by a better more efficient one. Tariffs shrink the economy and raises prices for consumers. It's basically politics interfering with having an efficient economy.

Excellent points. There are a few "winners" with tariffs: it sounds like sugar growers in the Philippines win with tariffs on sugar. But the tariffs make everything produced with sugar more expensive, so consumers (of sugar per se, or anything made with sugar) are losers.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain the outrage. I mean, I just found this.

Before President Trump took office, what tariffs did Canada impose on U.S. goods, and what percentages were there on various products exported to the US?

Before January 1st, Canada had tariffs on certain U.S. products, primarily in sectors protected under its supply management system. These included:

Dairy Products: Tariffs ranged from 200% to 300% on items like milk, cheese, and butter to protect Canadian dairy farmers.
Poultry and Eggs: Similar high tariffs were applied to chicken, turkey, and eggs.
Grain Products: Some grains faced tariffs, though these were generally lower than those on dairy and poultry.

So, Canada charges the shit out of us, 200 to 300%....but we are the devil now that we are going to add tariffs? What am I missing here?

https://thefulcrum.us/business-democrac ... ffs-canada

You are missing NOTHING!!!

I had a nephew that worked at a store in Bellingham that have milk, cheese, and butter. He hated Saturdays because "all of Canada" would empty and come to his store and purchase all the milk, cheese, and butter they had, then complain when they ran out by noon.
-That is proof that Canada tariff'ed the shit our of those products-

[Seattle or Bust]

Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain the outrage. I mean, I just found this.

Before President Trump took office, what tariffs did Canada impose on U.S. goods, and what percentages were there on various products exported to the US?

Before January 1st, Canada had tariffs on certain U.S. products, primarily in sectors protected under its supply management system. These included:

Dairy Products: Tariffs ranged from 200% to 300% on items like milk, cheese, and butter to protect Canadian dairy farmers.
Poultry and Eggs: Similar high tariffs were applied to chicken, turkey, and eggs.
Grain Products: Some grains faced tariffs, though these were generally lower than those on dairy and poultry.

So, Canada charges the shit out of us, 200 to 300%....but we are the devil now that we are going to add tariffs? What am I missing here?

https://thefulcrum.us/business-democrac ... ffs-canada

You are missing NOTHING!!!

I had a nephew that worked at a store in Bellingham that have milk, cheese, and butter. He hated Saturdays because "all of Canada" would empty and come to his store and purchase all the milk, cheese, and butter they had, then complain when they ran out by noon.
-That is proof that Canada tariff'ed the shit our of those products-

"Those Canadian tariffs on U.S. dairy imports apply only after the U.S. hits a level of tariff-free sales.

It was a deal Trump negotiated in 2018 during his first term in office.

In many categories, including milk, the U.S. is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum."

[GL_Storm]

I don't think the tariffs against Canada make a lot of sense. The trade deficit is about $45 billion, which is nothing compared to the size of the US economy. And if you exclude energy products, we actually run a trade surplus with Canada. It's beyond stupid in every conceivable way.

On the other hand, I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of playing hardball with Mexico. Victor Davis Hanson makes a good case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-8n4CCrb4

[bpj]

I don't think the tariffs against Canada make a lot of sense. The trade deficit is about $45 billion, which is nothing compared to the size of the US economy. And if you exclude energy products, we actually run a trade surplus with Canada. It's beyond stupid in every conceivable way.

On the other hand, I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of playing hardball with Mexico. Victor Davis Hanson makes a good case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-8n4CCrb4

If Trump follows through with, "Drill baby drill!" and let's places like Oregon- which have overwhelming amounts of federal land that can't be logged because of ridiculous preservation and lib policy open up for lumber production- what would we need Canada for?

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Someone smarter than me is going to have to explain the outrage. I mean, I just found this.



So, Canada charges the shit out of us, 200 to 300%....but we are the devil now that we are going to add tariffs? What am I missing here?

https://thefulcrum.us/business-democrac ... ffs-canada

You are missing NOTHING!!!

I had a nephew that worked at a store in Bellingham that have milk, cheese, and butter. He hated Saturdays because "all of Canada" would empty and come to his store and purchase all the milk, cheese, and butter they had, then complain when they ran out by noon.
-That is proof that Canada tariff'ed the shit our of those products-

"Those Canadian tariffs on U.S. dairy imports apply only after the U.S. hits a level of tariff-free sales.

It was a deal Trump negotiated in 2018 during his first term in office.

In many categories, including milk, the U.S. is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum."

As previously posted....

"The Bottom Line: While some U.S. daily can enter tariff-free, the system is restrictive and VERY LITTLE U.S. dairy actually makes it in without tariffs. The argument that "tariffs never apply because we never hit the quota" is misleading--the structure of the quota itself is part of the barrier"

Or, you can show your work and prove it wrong.

[GL_Storm]

I don't think the tariffs against Canada make a lot of sense. The trade deficit is about $45 billion, which is nothing compared to the size of the US economy. And if you exclude energy products, we actually run a trade surplus with Canada. It's beyond stupid in every conceivable way.

On the other hand, I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of playing hardball with Mexico. Victor Davis Hanson makes a good case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-8n4CCrb4

If Trump follows through with, "Drill baby drill!" and let's places like Oregon- which have overwhelming amounts of federal land that can't be logged because of ridiculous preservation and lib policy open up for lumber production- what would we need Canada for?

I'm not an expert on the lumber industry, but I suppose if restrictions were eased on US lumber production, then that would lessen demand for Canadian lumber. I don't think that makes the case for tariffs though. If Canadian lumber is still cheaper, I think Americans should be able to benefit from that.

[bpj]

I don't think the tariffs against Canada make a lot of sense. The trade deficit is about $45 billion, which is nothing compared to the size of the US economy. And if you exclude energy products, we actually run a trade surplus with Canada. It's beyond stupid in every conceivable way.

On the other hand, I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of playing hardball with Mexico. Victor Davis Hanson makes a good case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-8n4CCrb4

If Trump follows through with, "Drill baby drill!" and let's places like Oregon- which have overwhelming amounts of federal land that can't be logged because of ridiculous preservation and lib policy open up for lumber production- what would we need Canada for?

I'm not an expert on the lumber industry, but I suppose if restrictions were eased on US lumber production, then that would lessen demand for Canadian lumber. I don't think that makes the case for tariffs though. If Canadian lumber is still cheaper, I think Americans should be able to benefit from that.

The countries would be facing equal tariffs under Trump, making it a level playing field, wouldn't it? If Canada wants to make our products more expensive for their consumers, I don't have any problem returning the favor.

It will make it tougher for Canadian (or whoever) companies to undercut American companies in their territories while they exploit ours.

All they have to do is remove the tariffs. Trump's just matching what they impose on our products from what I've heard.

[gil]

I don't think the tariffs against Canada make a lot of sense. The trade deficit is about $45 billion, which is nothing compared to the size of the US economy. And if you exclude energy products, we actually run a trade surplus with Canada. It's beyond stupid in every conceivable way.

On the other hand, I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of playing hardball with Mexico. Victor Davis Hanson makes a good case here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-8n4CCrb4

If Trump follows through with, "Drill baby drill!" and let's places like Oregon- which have overwhelming amounts of federal land that can't be logged because of ridiculous preservation and lib policy open up for lumber production- what would we need Canada for?

I'm not an expert on the lumber industry, but I suppose if restrictions were eased on US lumber production, then that would lessen demand for Canadian lumber. I don't think that makes the case for tariffs though. If Canadian lumber is still cheaper, I think Americans should be able to benefit from that.

I'm anti-tariff, in principle. I agree with having a free market where consumers, homebuilders, etc., being able to seek out lower costs without government taxes. (I.e., tariffs are taxes.)

[bpj]

If Trump follows through with, "Drill baby drill!" and let's places like Oregon- which have overwhelming amounts of federal land that can't be logged because of ridiculous preservation and lib policy open up for lumber production- what would we need Canada for?

I'm not an expert on the lumber industry, but I suppose if restrictions were eased on US lumber production, then that would lessen demand for Canadian lumber. I don't think that makes the case for tariffs though. If Canadian lumber is still cheaper, I think Americans should be able to benefit from that.

I'm anti-tariff, in principle. I agree with having a free market where consumers, homebuilders, etc., being able to seek out lower costs without government taxes. (I.e., tariffs are taxes.)

Agreed.

Anyone that puts a tariff on the US should face an equal tariff on their products until the tariff is removed.

Good thing we have someone working on creating that level playing field now.