JFK assassination revisited

Which theory do you believe most likely?

Oswald acted alone
3
43%
CIA / LBJ plot
4
57%
Mafia plot
0
No votes
Cuban nationalist plot
0
No votes
Other
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 7

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by DavidGee24 » Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:28 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:05 pm
Let's just say i don't think it unlikely that LBJ and CIA leadership could have been motivated and capable of pulling it off.
Think of the risk/reward factor.

Reward: for the CIA, pretty much nothing. For LBJ, The White House.

Risk: when they eventually get exposed, rioting, scores of people getting killed including the perpetrators...incredibly dumb risk.

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by bpj » Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:52 pm

Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:14 pm
Again.... stop getting your news from Twitter, "X", Facebook, Snap Chat, etc...
Lol.

Yeah, stick to CNN and Fox News...

Clown.

You guys can believe the buildings "just fell" if you want to, but its like accepting being told that the vaccines were safe and effective.

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by XpertDBA » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:21 pm

If you really want to have a good idea what went down in Dealey Plaza that day, I would highly recommend you actually go there and visit it.

I've been there a couple of times, and what always stands out to me is how incredibly small and compact the area is.

I will tell you one thing that always convinces me it was a lone gunman from the school book depository.

Zapruder was actually taking the film footage from the Pergola which is RIGHT NEXT to the grassy knoll and fence. It's no more than 10-25 feet away.

If there were shots that were fired from that position, there is NO WAY IN A ZILLION YEARS that Zapruder would have kept filming and not dropped to the ground right away. They would have been firing almost right over his shoulder and he would have definitely known where it was coming from.

Go to the site and see for yourself. There is no possible way Zapruder wouldn't have reacted, and kept filming the entire thing if shots were being fired from there.

Add to that, NOBODY ran away from the fence or grassy knoll. Nobody fired from there. It just didn't happen.
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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by XpertDBA » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:27 pm

bpj wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:52 pm
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:14 pm
Again.... stop getting your news from Twitter, "X", Facebook, Snap Chat, etc...
Lol.

Yeah, stick to CNN and Fox News...

Clown.

You guys can believe the buildings "just fell" if you want to, but its like accepting being told that the vaccines were safe and effective.
The buildings 'fell' due to large commercial aircraft slamming into them and superheating the internal structure. That's pretty well known based on every scientific study on it. I guess you're smarter than 99% of the investigative community?

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:05 pm

XpertDBA wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:27 pm
bpj wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:52 pm
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:14 pm
Again.... stop getting your news from Twitter, "X", Facebook, Snap Chat, etc...
Lol.

Yeah, stick to CNN and Fox News...

Clown.

You guys can believe the buildings "just fell" if you want to, but its like accepting being told that the vaccines were safe and effective.
The buildings 'fell' due to large commercial aircraft slamming into them and superheating the internal structure. That's pretty well known based on every scientific study on it. I guess you're smarter than 99% of the investigative community?
He believes the people he listens to are

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:16 pm

XpertDBA wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:21 pm
If you really want to have a good idea what went down in Dealey Plaza that day, I would highly recommend you actually go there and visit it.

I've been there a couple of times, and what always stands out to me is how incredibly small and compact the area is.

I will tell you one thing that always convinces me it was a lone gunman from the school book depository.

Zapruder was actually taking the film footage from the Pergola which is RIGHT NEXT to the grassy knoll and fence. It's no more than 10-25 feet away.

If there were shots that were fired from that position, there is NO WAY IN A ZILLION YEARS that Zapruder would have kept filming and not dropped to the ground right away. They would have been firing almost right over his shoulder and he would have definitely known where it was coming from.

Go to the site and see for yourself. There is no possible way Zapruder wouldn't have reacted, and kept filming the entire thing if shots were being fired from there.

Add to that, NOBODY ran away from the fence or grassy knoll. Nobody fired from there. It just didn't happen.
Not to mention firing at a target moving from left to right with Zapruder and other people in the way. Good luck putting a round right on the money under those circumstances. That would be an incredibly stupid plan with a single-shot rifle.
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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:29 pm

XpertDBA wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:27 pm
bpj wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 11:52 pm
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 9:14 pm
Again.... stop getting your news from Twitter, "X", Facebook, Snap Chat, etc...
Lol.

Yeah, stick to CNN and Fox News...

Clown.

You guys can believe the buildings "just fell" if you want to, but its like accepting being told that the vaccines were safe and effective.
The buildings 'fell' due to large commercial aircraft slamming into them and superheating the internal structure. That's pretty well known based on every scientific study on it. I guess you're smarter than 99% of the investigative community?
Not to mention that if you were actually going to do something like that, you wouldn't in broad daylight have a plane hit a tower, have the second plane hit the other tower 17 minutes later, then allow 56 minutes to pass so that thousands of cameras can be trained on every angle of the towers before detonating explosives to bring one tower down, and then allow another 27 minutes to pass before detonating explosives in the other tower. That would be the stupidest plan of all time.

Plus you'd have so many people (at least hundreds) in on it and that's not a secret they'd be able to keep given the heinousness of it. That's just not how human beings roll.

And really, what's the reward and what's the risk? The reward is microscopic and the risk is astronomical. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I think that some people just hate the government so much that they force themselves to believe the most outlandish things to make themselves feel better.

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by XpertDBA » Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:13 pm

At this point, I'm kind of wondering if bpj is a Moon Landing denier and a Flat Earther. He seems to have the MO for it.

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:58 pm

The notion that it was a CIA plot doesn't require that there must be gunmen in other locations or even that Oswald could not have fired [all] the shots believing he would be protected from arrest and prosecution. From google AI...
Conspiracy theories alleging CIA involvement in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy often suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald played a role as either an agent or a manipulated figure within a larger plot.
Here's a breakdown of the roles attributed to Oswald within these theories:
1. CIA Agent or Asset:
Some theories suggest that Oswald was an active CIA agent or informant.
They point to his attempted defection to the Soviet Union and seemingly smooth return to the US as potential evidence of an intelligence agency connection.
One theory suggests Oswald was a "fake defector" as part of a CIA program.
2. Manipulated Patsy or Scapegoat:
Other theories propose that Oswald was manipulated by intelligence agencies, potentially the CIA, to become the publicly designated assassin.
This would involve setting him up to appear responsible for the assassination, while the actual perpetrators could escape without detection.
3. Role in a Broader Conspiracy:
Conspiracy theories linking the CIA to the assassination often portray Oswald as part of a larger conspiracy involving various groups, such as the Mafia, anti-Castro Cuban exiles, or even high-level government officials.
In this context, Oswald's role could have been as a pawn, a participant unaware of the full scope of the plot, or even a victim himself.
Important Considerations:
Official Investigations: The Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that Oswald acted alone and found no evidence of a conspiracy.
CIA Denial: The CIA has consistently denied any involvement in the assassination and has rejected allegations of a relationship with Oswald.
Lack of Concrete Evidence: Despite decades of speculation, there is no definitive proof establishing Oswald's role as a CIA agent or manipulated figure in a larger conspiracy related to the JFK assassination.
Recent Document Releases: While recently released government documents have shed more light on CIA covert operations and surveillance of Oswald, they haven't provided definitive proof of a CIA conspiracy in the assassination.

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Re: JFK assassination revisited

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:06 pm

XpertDBA wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:13 pm
At this point, I'm kind of wondering if bpj is a Moon Landing denier and a Flat Earther. He seems to have the MO for it.
I'm the moon landing denier, well at the very least, I question it.
:lol:

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