Another trade deadline plan.

[Seattle or Bust]

On today's episode of the point flying over DavidGee's head... IT'S A SPORTS FORUM WHERE PEOPLE TALK SPORTS AND POSIT IDEAS THAT ENGAGE CONVERSATION ABOUT BASEBALL. Get it now?

It's always the ones who never posit ideas of their own who are the most critical.

1) Garver's second half salary would be like $5 million and they could quite easily take it on if it means getting pitching prospects in return that don't currently exist in their system. They have 0 farm depth, don't want to trade their young MLB talent, and could get creative by taking on someone like Garver if it improves their current, dire pitching situation. Dominguez is a much better pitcher than Legumina... he throws 100 mph.

2) Does this post say anything about the trade happening now? It's a TRADE DEADLINE where the logical conclusion is that this plan assumes the Diamondbacks are out of contention and decide to sell. "Izzi totally sucks" just shows your lack of understanding the nuance of valuation in prospects. But even if you do look at raw stats, apparently you think a 2.85 ERA while pitching in Modesto over 110 innings is bad.

3) The Red Sox just traded Devers for a bag of balls to get out from under his contract. He's 5 years younger than Olson. Atlanta may want to look at freeing up money and getting out of some aging contracts if the team isn't performing.

Yes, and I conversed with you about your ideas. See how that works? Maybe you should be the one looking up.

Dominguez has a career ERA of 3.58 and a career WHIP of 1.208. Now, while Legumina is so-so at best, Dominguez' 100 MPH is translating into so-so performance. As for "improving the Orioles current, dire pitching situation", how exactly does a guy like Morales do that? His ERA in the minors is 4.38 and his WHIP is 1.356. He's likely never even going to make it to the show.

Izzi has followed up his 2.85 ERA season (with a WHIP of 1.392 so his bullpen must have saved his ass a lot) with a 5.27 ERA/1.720 WHIP. As a minor leaguer is career ERA is 3.91 and his WHIP is a horrific 1.529. He sucks.

True, the Giants did send the Red Sox a glorified bag of balls, but that doesn't mean the Braves are going to be that dumb. It would be great if they were, but you can't count on something like that.

Everything you're saying about these players is relative to their value in a trade and what the M's are getting back.

Are you under the impression that it's going to take pitchers slinging 2.00 ERA's in the M's top 10 to land the purest of rentals?

Geno and Dominguez are worth next to nothing in trade value given their $$ and 2.5 months of remaining service time.

The prospects listed here are all ranked 10-30 in what is a top 3 farm in baseball. They're not elite prospects, but elite prospects don't go for the players I mentioned in any of these trades. These are the types of players who get moved for rentals not named Mookie Betts or Juan Soto.

[Seattle or Bust]

Mariners trade OF Luke Raley, RHP Gregory Santos to the Braves for 1B Matt Olson, RHP Pierce Johnson and cash

Why? This might sound insane... but perhaps the M's think Raley is expendable and Canzone is a long-term solution to platoon alongside Victor Robles in right field. Perhaps the Braves need a small reset. ATL need corner OF help badly and add Santos as a controlled replacement for Johnson. The M's add one of the best 1B's in baseball on an expensive, but somewhat affordable deal. Olson is on pace for another 6+ WAR season and is owed $22M a year until 2029... his age 35 season. Johnson is a solid reliever pitching to a 3.18 FIP with a $7M club option next season.

Raley + another piece for Matt Olson and his contract seems realistic to me but more likely the type of deal that would happen in the offseason.

Pierce Johnson is kind of interesting on his own. I wonder if he's actually good? Hard to say with relievers.

He's fine.

Is he elite? No.

Is he better than Thornton, Taylor, Legumina, Snider? Yes. Considerably so. And that's all we need given how good the back end of the bullpen is.

[Lamda]

Been seeing a suggested trade of Ford for Naylor. Does that make sense to any of you? We know they are holding onto promoting Ford as they want to use him as trade bait but does it make sense to trade one of our top prospects for just a rental player??

[Donn Beach]

Been seeing a suggested trade of Ford for Naylor. Does that make sense to any of you? We know they are holding onto promoting Ford as they want to use him as trade bait but does it make sense to trade one of our top prospects for just a rental player??

Yeah, Jim Bowden, makes the AZoldDowg's suggestion seem more reasonable, bust a move

[Seattle or Bust]

Been seeing a suggested trade of Ford for Naylor. Does that make sense to any of you? We know they are holding onto promoting Ford as they want to use him as trade bait but does it make sense to trade one of our top prospects for just a rental player??

No. Naylor is a max 2.2-2.7 fWAR 1B.

There's not a snowball's chance in hell he goes for a top-100 prospect as one... he's "good" but not great and two... his money for a rental is not insignificant.

The closest trade I can find along this from in terms of like values is when Jaimer Candelario was traded from the Nats to the Cubs in '23. He went for the 16th and 17th best prospects in the Cubs farm. Jaimer also played a more premium position than Naylor, had better stats (3.1 WAR when traded), and was making less money.

[D-train]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a ownership group and front office that would even consider taking on Olson's contract?

[Seattle or Bust]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a ownership group and front office that would even consider taking on Olson's contract?

His contract isn't that outlandish and is in the range of contracts they've been comfortable offering.

I do wonder again... what were the terms of Jerry's extension? Will he be a bit more brash if he is indeed on a short leash? He claims they will be giving him financial flexibility to make the team better.

[Bil522]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a ownership group and front office that would even consider taking on Olson's contract?

His contract isn't that outlandish and is in the range of contracts they've been comfortable offering.

I do wonder again... what were the terms of Jerry's extension? Will he be a bit more brash if he is indeed on a short leash? He claims they will be giving him financial flexibility to make the team better.

Ummm, we have forgotten one salient point in the Matt Olson discussion....he used to play for the A's so he has a fairly decent track record at T-Mobile and it ain't that good. In 45 games and 181 plate appearances, he is batting .207 with a .741 OPS. It is the 4th worst stadium he hits in. Top that with an older player making $22mill/ year and it is doubtful the M's are going after him.

[DavidGee24]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a ownership group and front office that would even consider taking on Olson's contract?

His contract isn't that outlandish and is in the range of contracts they've been comfortable offering.

I do wonder again... what were the terms of Jerry's extension? Will he be a bit more brash if he is indeed on a short leash? He claims they will be giving him financial flexibility to make the team better.

Ummm, we have forgotten one salient point in the Matt Olson discussion....he used to play for the A's so he has a fairly decent track record at T-Mobile and it ain't that good. In 45 games and 181 plate appearances, he is batting .207 with a .741 OPS. It is the 4th worst stadium he hits in. Top that with an older player making $22mill/ year and it is doubtful the M's are going after him.

We should call it The Mitch Garver Factor.

[Seattle or Bust]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a ownership group and front office that would even consider taking on Olson's contract?

His contract isn't that outlandish and is in the range of contracts they've been comfortable offering.

I do wonder again... what were the terms of Jerry's extension? Will he be a bit more brash if he is indeed on a short leash? He claims they will be giving him financial flexibility to make the team better.

Ummm, we have forgotten one salient point in the Matt Olson discussion....he used to play for the A's so he has a fairly decent track record at T-Mobile and it ain't that good. In 45 games and 181 plate appearances, he is batting .207 with a .741 OPS. It is the 4th worst stadium he hits in. Top that with an older player making $22mill/ year and it is doubtful the M's are going after him.

Most players dont get their second contract until about age 30... he just turned 31.

A 45 game sample from 4 years ago seems like a silly way to measure whether he'd be good w. the M's. Cal has a .972 OPS at T-Mobile this year. Prior to this season, it was like a career .650...

Again, these trades are never intended to say that this is exactly what the M's have up their sleeve. They are intended to look at positions the M's may be looking to upgrade and offer up solutions/spark discussion on it.

As it sits, if Raley can play a good 1B and Solano continues to hit, 3B, bullpen help, and potentially a right-handed DH for depth seem like easy areas for upgrade.

I hope it's Geno... and Corbin Carroll just went down for them adding to a pretty serious injured list... but they also have a pretty easy schedule heading into the break. So who knows.

Geno just makes too much sense given his familiarity with the clubhouse and direct positional need.