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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:33 pm

And I don't see promoting a rookie at the trade deadline as equivalent to getting a veteran player if you are interested in a playoff push

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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:39 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
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Here's one of the many problems with Dipoto's bonehead platoon strategy.

Donovan Solano:
Even worse than that, he has already tied the MLB record for hitting into the most PH double plays in one season with four...and has 60 games left to break it.
Solano's splits are so hilarious. Pollock 2.0. Yet the only start him vs. LH starter. Monkey brained MFers keep double down despite blatant evidence that it is idiotic to do so. They would rather have Julio and Cal swap defensive positions or have their starters pitch 125 innings on 3 days rest than start their RH platoon bats vs. RH pitching.
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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:43 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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D-train wrote:
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Top 50 prospect for a two month rental, impressive
Sloan is currently 61 but if they updated today he might even be in the 30s.
yeah, he's actually the fifth ranked prospect, but for the pair its probably pretty fair. Thought to look at past rental deadline deals. If you consider Suarez a significant piece this is what i came up with. His career might not match but does his season?

Yoenis Céspedes for Michael Fulmer and Luis Cessa
Mark Teixeira for Casey Kotchman
Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay
Carlos Beltran for Octavio Dotel and John Buck
Those are all irrelevant. Due to expanded playoffs there is ONE truly impact bat available and 5+ Desperate teams that have what it takes to get him.
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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:44 pm

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This is what i've been saying for a week now - the package its going to take to get Suarez is going to be painful. Its not like deadlines past where you give away maybe a top 20 prospect and garbage to get a rental. I saw some idiots package of Williamson and Mastroboni for him - I was like wtf world are you living in??? I saw another post/article that suggested Sloan which I equally laughed at for opposite reasons.

We're going to have to give something like Evans or Hancock with Arroyo to get him.
Evans or Jurranglo and maybe a Peete or Locklear.
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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:46 pm

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This is why I'd rather have Naylor in a trade if push comes to shove than Geno if you can't get both in a deal.
JUST TO GET SOLANO OFF THIS ROSTER.
You can get Solano off the team by simply promoting Locklear. Solano has a .630 OPS and only plays about 1/3 of the time. Ben has a .600 OPS and has played almost 90% of the time. Geno has well over a .900 OPS and would be a massive upgrade over Ben. Naylor is redundant with Raley because can't hit lefties either and he is a slug that costs the D Backs the game today with his D. I would be ok if they got both but they have said the Geno is the number 1 target and amazingly they are correct this time.
I am not very comfortable with Raley at 1b Defensively. I feel like he is going to cost them some games at some point with his poor defense.
Well Naylor cost the D Backs the game yesterday day be unnecessarily coming off the bag early resulting in Trammel being safe on a bunt so he has that in common with Raley too.
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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:49 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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And I don't see promoting a rookie at the trade deadline as equivalent to getting a veteran player if you are interested in a playoff push
Not Ideal but that would be FAR better than sticking with a rookie with a 78 OPS+ at 3B. I would rather have Geno and Locklear/Raley than Ben and Naylor by 1000 miles.
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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by Captain 97 » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:53 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:46 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:23 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 2:41 am


You can get Solano off the team by simply promoting Locklear. Solano has a .630 OPS and only plays about 1/3 of the time. Ben has a .600 OPS and has played almost 90% of the time. Geno has well over a .900 OPS and would be a massive upgrade over Ben. Naylor is redundant with Raley because can't hit lefties either and he is a slug that costs the D Backs the game today with his D. I would be ok if they got both but they have said the Geno is the number 1 target and amazingly they are correct this time.
I am not very comfortable with Raley at 1b Defensively. I feel like he is going to cost them some games at some point with his poor defense.
Well Naylor cost the D Backs the game yesterday day be unnecessarily coming off the bag early resulting in Trammel being safe on a bunt so he has that in common with Raley too.
Yeah I don't really know enough about Naylor defensively to comment one way or another. I just know that Raley makes me Nervous and I don't want to close the door on a potential first baseman just because we have Raley and his .691 OPS penciled in there.

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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:57 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:43 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:16 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 1:28 pm


Sloan is currently 61 but if they updated today he might even be in the 30s.
yeah, he's actually the fifth ranked prospect, but for the pair its probably pretty fair. Thought to look at past rental deadline deals. If you consider Suarez a significant piece this is what i came up with. His career might not match but does his season?

Yoenis Céspedes for Michael Fulmer and Luis Cessa
Mark Teixeira for Casey Kotchman
Manny Ramirez for Jason Bay
Carlos Beltran for Octavio Dotel and John Buck
Those are all irrelevant. Due to expanded playoffs there is ONE truly impact bat available and 5+ Desperate teams that have what it takes to get him.
so you are saying the Dbacks should expect even more, I wouldn't call that irrelevant

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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jul 24, 2025 6:44 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:53 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:46 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:23 pm


I am not very comfortable with Raley at 1b Defensively. I feel like he is going to cost them some games at some point with his poor defense.
Well Naylor cost the D Backs the game yesterday day be unnecessarily coming off the bag early resulting in Trammel being safe on a bunt so he has that in common with Raley too.
Yeah I don't really know enough about Naylor defensively to comment one way or another. I just know that Raley makes me Nervous and I don't want to close the door on a potential first baseman just because we have Raley and his .691 OPS penciled in there.
He’s a bad defender.

Most of his WAR has been generated at DH this year where he’s like a 1.050 OPS hitter.

He’s accumulated only like .4 fWAR at 1B this year and can’t hit lefties.

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Re: Final Trade Deadline Plan

Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Jul 24, 2025 7:15 pm

Naylor's got one of those misleading WARS. It's currently at 1.0 but he's penalized big-time on defensive metrics, the same kind that cost guys like Fred McGriff and Dick Allen big-time over the course of their careers.

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