So the left promotes violence... What do you guys think of this nutbag?

[bpj]

Why don't you just tell us what makes you different.

What do you do or not do that's different than everyone else?

Just seems like a lot of lecturing. So let's hear it.

What makes me different is I left the cult of statism.

Which means you did what.

[Seattle or Bust]

Why don't you just tell us what makes you different.

What do you do or not do that's different than everyone else?

Just seems like a lot of lecturing. So let's hear it.

What makes me different is I left the cult of statism.

Which means you did what.

It means he doesn't believe in government having control over him.

He thinks he's some revolutionary while using the internet, electricity, public roads, basically everything under the sun that a centralized government hands him.

In short, he's a hypocrite, insane, and doesn't have a clue about the hypocrisy.

How's this for a government controlling people Vogeldork? So much for free speech, eh?

[DanielVogelbach]

Which means you did what.

It means I stopped advocating for the enslavement of humanity like all statists do.

[DanielVogelbach]

He thinks he's some revolutionary while using the internet, electricity, public roads, basically everything under the sun that a centralized government hands him.

Only a statist who advocates for the enslavement of humanity would see the "services" provided by an organized crime racket as beneficial.

It's like when the mafia offers you "protection". It's a shakedown, but you're too indoctrinated to see it.

The difference between organized crime and "government" is simply that people have been brainwashed into thinking that "government" somehow has legitimate authority to carry out these criminal acts and somehow they benefit everyone. All false. Government only exists to serve the ruling class and enslave everyone, controlling them like livestock.

There is no service provided by "government" that can't be provided better, faster, cheaper, and to the benefit of the more people than by way of the FREE MARKET.

You are advocating for SLAVERY.

Peace. Love. Anarchy.

[Seattle or Bust]

He thinks he's some revolutionary while using the internet, electricity, public roads, basically everything under the sun that a centralized government hands him.

Only a statist who advocates for the enslavement of humanity would see the "services" provided by an organized crime racket as beneficial.

It's like when the mafia offers you "protection". It's a shakedown, but you're too indoctrinated to see it.

The difference between organized crime and "government" is simply that people have been brainwashed into thinking that "government" somehow has legitimate authority to carry out these criminal acts and somehow they benefit everyone. All false. Government only exists to serve the ruling class and enslave everyone, controlling them like livestock.

There is no service provided by "government" that can't be provided better, faster, cheaper, and to the benefit of the more people than by way of the FREE MARKET.

You are advocating for SLAVERY.

Peace. Love. Anarchy.

Then get off the internet. Stop using these non-beneficial things that have been handed to you.

Until then, you're not living within the ideals you're espousing and are a hypocrite.

[bpj]

Which means you did what.

It means I stopped advocating for the enslavement of humanity like all statists do.

Explain how you're different than anyone here.

We live in the same place as you. What do you do that we don't?

I live about as far at the fringes of society as is possible while still having phone and internet.

Sounds like all you do is say you're anti-establishment but have nothing meaningful to back it up beyond what anyone else does.

Gotta do better than that if you want to keep bloviating like you're Guy Fawkes. Explain how you're different.

[DanielVogelbach]

How's this for a government controlling people Vogeldork? So much for free speech, eh?

HA HA HA

"licensing"

Licensing is where government strips you of your rights and then sells them back to you. We don't need licensing. The free market is based on trust and reputation. Not government paperwork. Have you ever gotten your haircut and wondered if the barber's license was up to date?

Natural Law is very simple... do no harm to others. However, there can be some legitimate discourse regarding what is "harm" and what is appropriate punishment when natural law is broken. Excessive punishment becomes another immoral act.

It is perfectly within your rights to celebrate someone else's death. Show me where I've ever said otherwise.

You literally just showed an anarchist a tweet from a Con-Gress man trying to make a point. You obviously don't get my position. I am not a conservative. I am not a statist. I don't advocate for using force against your neighbor to get them to do what you want. I view that as immoral and think that you must convince your neighbor to join your cause... you must gather funding through voluntary means... you can't justifiably use force unless in self defense and while I believe the free market brings the most peace and prosperity that is second priority versus simple morality. If someone wants to spend all their time smoking crack, that is their right. You can advise against it, rally against it... but you can't force people not to smoke crack.

I am simply trying to free people from enslavement one mind at a time.

Once you grasp natural law and objective morality you will see that statism is illigitmate and immoral and you would never subscribe to it if not for massive levels of indoctrination from K-12 to Hollyweird to the "news".

[Seattle or Bust]

How's this for a government controlling people Vogeldork? So much for free speech, eh?

HA HA HA

"licensing"

Licensing is where government strips you of your rights and then sells them back to you. We don't need licensing. The free market is based on trust and reputation. Not government paperwork. Have you ever gotten your haircut and wondered if the barber's license was up to date?

Natural Law is very simple... do no harm to others. However, there can be some legitimate discourse regarding what is "harm" and what is appropriate punishment when natural law is broken. Excessive punishment becomes another immoral act.

It is perfectly within your rights to celebrate someone else's death. Show me where I've ever said otherwise.

You literally just showed an anarchist a tweet from a Con-Gress man trying to make a point. You obviously don't get my position. I am not a conservative. I am not a statist. I don't advocate for using force against your neighbor to get them to do what you want. I view that as immoral and think that you must convince your neighbor to join your cause... you must gather funding through voluntary means... you can't justifiably use force unless in self defense and while I believe the free market brings the most peace and prosperity that is second priority versus simple morality. If someone wants to spend all their time smoking crack, that is their right. You can advise against it, rally against it... but you can't force people not to smoke crack.

I am simply trying to free people from enslavement one mind at a time.

Once you grasp natural law and objective morality you will see that statism is illigitmate and immoral and you would never subscribe to it if not for massive levels of indoctrination from K-12 to Hollyweird to the "news".

You're really, really bad at it.

[DanielVogelbach]

I live about as far at the fringes of society as is possible while still having phone and internet.

Things like off-grid, permaculture, homeschool, foodforests, self-reliance, bartering, earth ships, gold/silver/crypto, and black markets are all things that can move the needle away from enslavement and towards freedom. However, while moving to the edge of society can serve the individual, it doesn't do that much to actually attack the satanic cults. For that, you do have to engage with people. Truthfully, I am not much of an activist. But, I am doing more than any statist trying to figure out who they are going to vote for in the next meaningless election. I'm also not a cop, soldier or a schoolteacher.

I recognize that in many ways I'm a wimp and I don't fight back. But, that's different than thinking I'm some badass patriot voting for Republicans and not being real about the role I play in the machine. I literally work for a company that sells computers to school districts.

It can be a little scary to speak my truth. I feel like these forums are a safe place for me to say what I'm thinking.

Some of the best people who are actively speaking on these topics are Larken Rose and Mark Passio. Just binge on those guys for a while and you'll start to see where I'm coming from. I could try and go that route, but it's difficult when you don't learn about this stuff until you are in your 40s.

Most people are not evil and generally go out of their way to avoid conflict. They are voluntaryists at heart. They just don't know it yet. You just have to break down that nobody can delegate rights they don't have themselves. Therefore, if you can't morally steal money from your neighbor to pay for something that you want, then you can't delegate that right to a so-called "representative". There is NOTHING that happens by adding a fancy flag and capitol building that changes the morality. It's still theft without consent.

Once you simplify to the point where it's either advocating for robbing your neighbor at gunpoint or advocating for a free society based on consensual contracts, then things start clicking.

You obviously know that I'm doing something different, because nobody else on these forums has ever once uttered the words voluntaryism, natural law, or objective morality. The reason I 'm bringing up these terms, is because there is no way for humanity to become free unless I do.

[Seattle or Bust]

I live about as far at the fringes of society as is possible while still having phone and internet.

Things like off-grid, permaculture, homeschool, foodforests, self-reliance, bartering, earth ships, gold/silver/crypto, and black markets are all things that can move the needle away from enslavement and towards freedom. However, while moving to the edge of society can serve the individual, it doesn't do that much to actually attack the satanic cults. For that, you do have to engage with people. Truthfully, I am not much of an activist. But, I am doing more than any statist trying to figure out who they are going to vote for in the next meaningless election. I'm also not a cop, soldier or a schoolteacher.

I recognize that in many ways I'm a wimp and I don't fight back. But, that's different than thinking I'm some badass patriot voting for Republicans and not being real about the role I play in the machine. I literally work for a company that sells computers to school districts.

It can be a little scary to speak my truth. I feel like these forums are a safe place for me to say what I'm thinking.

Some of the best people who are actively speaking on these topics are Larken Rose and Mark Passio. Just binge on those guys for a while and you'll start to see where I'm coming from. I could try and go that route, but it's difficult when you don't learn about this stuff until you are in your 40s.

Most people are not evil and generally go out of their way to avoid conflict. They are voluntaryists at heart. They just don't know it yet. You just have to break down that nobody can delegate rights they don't have themselves. Therefore, if you can't morally steal money from your neighbor to pay for something that you want, then you can't delegate that right to a so-called "representative". There is NOTHING that happens by adding a fancy flag and capitol building that changes the morality. It's still theft without consent.

Once you simplify to the point where it's either advocating for robbing your neighbor at gunpoint or advocating for a free society based on consensual contracts, then things start clicking.

You obviously know that I'm doing something different, because nobody else on these forums has ever once uttered the words voluntaryism, natural law, or objective morality. The reason I 'm bringing up these terms, is because there is no way for humanity to become free unless I do.

Then your rants are hollow and meaningless. Either live by what you espouse or stop being a hypocrite.