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[Seattle or Bust]

"violently attacking law enforcement"

Yeah, those flagpoles must have hurt something fierce.

Ashley Babbitt probably should have been carrying one.

You do realize that if the right REALLY intended to perform an insurrection, they would have brought a large number of guns to the party? You know, all of us religious zealot gun-toting rednecks would have used our stash of AR15s and other automatic weapons. Weird how they forgot to bring them, dontcha think?

This is exactly my point.

You can’t just say, “Conservatives should not have stormed the Capitol that day and it was wrong for them to attack police officers. It wasn’t Antifa, there were clearly many Conservatives who participated and I disavow their actions.”

It’s always spin. It’s always excuses. It’s never accountability.

You're such a punk. EVERYONE condemned the people who committed any kind of violence on Jan 6. Will YOU CONDEMN all of the BLM rioters and say all those people should have been locked up for 2 years or longer? Let's see how accountable YOU are. Please remember, as CNN reported, they were 'mostly peaceful' protests. Everyone involved in any destruction of any kind should have gone to jail for 2-3 years though, right? There were so many more of them than on Jan 6, so shouldn't you be a lot more angry at your own side before attacking Jan 6 people?

LOL. Except that’s not the case at all. Everybody did not condemn the violence and they perpetuate the lies like you just told to reduce the significance of said violence. Your point cannot possibly be true when 99% of Conservatives blame Antifa for the riot and do not admit anything actually happened that day or call people who perpetuated violence “patriots.”

Of course I condemn any political violence perpetuated on the right or left, including destruction of property. There isn’t a single public Dem figure who won’t come out and say that while they support the right to protest, you must do so peacefully.

[XpertDBA]

This is exactly my point.

You can’t just say, “Conservatives should not have stormed the Capitol that day and it was wrong for them to attack police officers. It wasn’t Antifa, there were clearly many Conservatives who participated and I disavow their actions.”

It’s always spin. It’s always excuses. It’s never accountability.

You're such a punk. EVERYONE condemned the people who committed any kind of violence on Jan 6. Will YOU CONDEMN all of the BLM rioters and say all those people should have been locked up for 2 years or longer? Let's see how accountable YOU are. Please remember, as CNN reported, they were 'mostly peaceful' protests. Everyone involved in any destruction of any kind should have gone to jail for 2-3 years though, right? There were so many more of them than on Jan 6, so shouldn't you be a lot more angry at your own side before attacking Jan 6 people?

LOL. Except that’s not the case at all. Everybody did not condemn the violence and they perpetuate the lies like you just told to reduce the significance of said violence. Your point cannot possibly be true when 99% of Conservatives blame Antifa for the riot and do not admit anything actually happened that day or call people who perpetuated violence “patriots.”

Of course I condemn any political violence perpetuated on the right or left, including destruction of property. There isn’t a single public Dem figure who won’t come out and say that while they support the right to protest, you must do so peacefully.

What lie did I tell? That most of the people who went there weren't violent? That police escorted some of them around? There's goddamned video proof of that. Just like the BLM riots, I'm sure a lot of people didn't loot stores, burn down buildings or kill other people, but there were a hell of a lot more than January 6th, that I can guarantee. And the biggest takeaway is, the people that were violent on Jan 6 WENT TO JAIL FOR A VERY LONG TIME, including those that didn't do anything. So what are you complaining about? The BLM riots were mostly ignored and people got away with horrible crimes en masse without anyone being held accountable, as you are so fond of saying.

Admit it, Jan 6 people paid the price.......rightfully so if any of them were violent. What more do you want? Now tell me you'll be as vigilant going after all of the BLM rioters and denouncing them daily on this board as you do the Jan 6 people. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you won't. Hypocrite much?

[Seattle or Bust]

You're such a punk. EVERYONE condemned the people who committed any kind of violence on Jan 6. Will YOU CONDEMN all of the BLM rioters and say all those people should have been locked up for 2 years or longer? Let's see how accountable YOU are. Please remember, as CNN reported, they were 'mostly peaceful' protests. Everyone involved in any destruction of any kind should have gone to jail for 2-3 years though, right? There were so many more of them than on Jan 6, so shouldn't you be a lot more angry at your own side before attacking Jan 6 people?

LOL. Except that’s not the case at all. Everybody did not condemn the violence and they perpetuate the lies like you just told to reduce the significance of said violence. Your point cannot possibly be true when 99% of Conservatives blame Antifa for the riot and do not admit anything actually happened that day or call people who perpetuated violence “patriots.”

Of course I condemn any political violence perpetuated on the right or left, including destruction of property. There isn’t a single public Dem figure who won’t come out and say that while they support the right to protest, you must do so peacefully.

What lie did I tell? That most of the people who went there weren't violent? That police escorted some of them around? There's goddamned video proof of that. Just like the BLM riots, I'm sure a lot of people didn't loot stores, burn down buildings or kill other people, but there were a hell of a lot more than January 6th, that I can guarantee. And the biggest takeaway is, the people that were violent on Jan 6 WENT TO JAIL FOR A VERY LONG TIME, including those that didn't do anything. So what are you complaining about? The BLM riots were mostly ignored and people got away with horrible crimes en masse without anyone being held accountable, as you are so fond of saying.

Admit it, Jan 6 people paid the price.......rightfully so if any of them were violent. What more do you want? Now tell me you'll be as vigilant going after all of the BLM rioters and denouncing them daily on this board as you do the Jan 6 people. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you won't. Hypocrite much?

What more do I want?

You just downplayed the violence by saying that rioters only attacked police officers with flag poles. That is a lie.

I want Donald Trump to admit what happened that day. That he lost the election and to stop calling people who abused cops patriots.

I didn’t want those people pardoned. They didn’t pay their price. Pretty much all of them are on social media hammering on against Liberals claiming they did nothing wrong. You know many conservatives take that and spin it into “these were patriots who did nothing wrong” ?? That vast, vast majority of conservatives are either lying or believe that the protestors were Antifa plants and that conservatives did nothing wrong.

You’re looking at one in this very thread.

[XpertDBA]

And you've similarly been UP-PLAYING the entire event as though 2,000 people went in with guns, shot up the place and killed dozens of police officers. You want to treat people who merely stepped foot in the Capitol that day without doing a thing to serve several years in prison.

SOME people committed crimes of violence that day and WERE PUT INTO JAIL for 2 years, many of them without any past criminal history. Nobody on the right has claimed that THOSE people shouldn't have got what they deserved and if they do, then they are incorrect. However, we have people who peform the most violent of crimes who never step foot in jail, or criminals with long rap sheets that get out in a day, yet you want all the people who did NOTHING on that day to serve years and years?

Who is the one being unrealistic here?

We all KNOW why you want to UP-PLAY January 6th. It's the ONLY thing you have to hold on to. The only thing. And you repeat it over and over and over and over and over, because you have absolutely nothing else.

[Seattle or Bust]

And you've similarly been UP-PLAYING the entire event as though 2,000 people went in with guns, shot up the place and killed dozens of police officers. You want to treat people who merely stepped foot in the Capitol that day without doing a thing to serve several years in prison.

SOME people committed crimes of violence that day and WERE PUT INTO JAIL for 2 years, many of them without any past criminal history. Nobody on the right has claimed that THOSE people shouldn't have got what they deserved and if they do, then they are incorrect. However, we have people who peform the most violent of crimes who never step foot in jail, or criminals with long rap sheets that get out in a day, yet you want all the people who did NOTHING on that day to serve years and years?

Who is the one being unrealistic here?

We all KNOW why you want to UP-PLAY January 6th. It's the ONLY thing you have to hold on to. The only thing. And you repeat it over and over and over and over and over, because you have absolutely nothing else.

Many people on the right DO NOT believe that conservatives played a part that day or that they did anything wrong. BPJ and others on this board are shining examples.

I’m not uplaying anything. All I’ve said is that they attacked cops. The DOJ concluded over a 1000 assaults against police officers that day. I’d assume of varying severity.

You’re the only person who is altering the magnitude by claiming that some cops were hit with flag poles as the extent of what happened.

Question is, why are you in such vehement defense of people who attacked police officers?

[bpj]

Easy

Lets go with J6.

Find me anywhere where Trump or close members didn't make excuses for it being "Antifa," or fake protestors, or "being let in" to the Capitol as an excuse for their heinous acts.

Oh no... wait, Trump calls them Patriots and pardoned them after they violently attacking law enforcement.

And he wasn't wrong.

lol yep and this is why political discourse is impossible with the right and people like you.

You can’t take ownership of anything…

Well, you actually did once. And then you retracted it into conspiracy theory madness about a day later. Or do you really want to revisit that again?

I don't have any problem being wrong. I throw opinions out on a lot of topics. Big deal. Sounds like I even already admitted I was wrong. I don't claim to be infallible. So what's the problem? Just that you're as soft as a marshmallow?

I don't think they went hard enough on J6. So, yeah, you're right, we don't really have much to discuss there.

[XpertDBA]

And you've similarly been UP-PLAYING the entire event as though 2,000 people went in with guns, shot up the place and killed dozens of police officers. You want to treat people who merely stepped foot in the Capitol that day without doing a thing to serve several years in prison.

SOME people committed crimes of violence that day and WERE PUT INTO JAIL for 2 years, many of them without any past criminal history. Nobody on the right has claimed that THOSE people shouldn't have got what they deserved and if they do, then they are incorrect. However, we have people who peform the most violent of crimes who never step foot in jail, or criminals with long rap sheets that get out in a day, yet you want all the people who did NOTHING on that day to serve years and years?

Who is the one being unrealistic here?

We all KNOW why you want to UP-PLAY January 6th. It's the ONLY thing you have to hold on to. The only thing. And you repeat it over and over and over and over and over, because you have absolutely nothing else.

Many people on the right DO NOT believe that conservatives played a part that day or that they did anything wrong. BPJ and others on this board are shining examples.

I’m not uplaying anything. All I’ve said is that they attacked cops. The DOJ concluded over a 1000 assaults against police officers that day. I’d assume of varying severity.

You’re the only person who is altering the magnitude by claiming that some cops were hit with flag poles as the extent of what happened.

Question is, why are you in such vehement defense of people who attacked police officers?

Guess you can't read. I think I've said at least three times now that those people got what they deserved. I'm wondering how there could have been 1,000 assaults if there were only 1,200 police officers. Guess they counted every swing of every flagpole, bat or all other things that weren't guns (because guns obviously weren't used). Anyway, funny how quickly you switched it back to 1/6 instead of the BLM riots. Shouldn't all those BLM people have been locked up for 2 or more years based on what you want the 1/6 people to serve? Why aren't you out there protesting that those people didn't get what they deserved?

Anyway, short summary: MOST conservatives (I believe, a very large majority) think the J-6ers got what they deserved. I haven't heard a single liberal talk about going after or prosecuting anyone involved with the BLM riots even to this day. MOST liberals I've talked to think it was justified and a way to show how displeased they were at the George Floyd ordeal. Again, hypocrisy at its finest.

And - just a wild hunch. I bet there won't be any Charlie Kirk Life Mattered riots, looting or murders.

[DanielVogelbach]

I feel bad for you that you're a hypocrite and don't live by the message you're espousing.

You're a phony.

Explain what I should do differently. What have I said that was disengenuine? Give me one example of this so-called hypocrisy you speak of.

What's "phony" is the fake left/right paradigm that you can't let go of. You can't come to terms with the fact that you personally advocate for violent aggression against your neighbors in order to force them to obey the will of the state. I recognize that's immoral. You don't. You are advocating for satanic practices.

Once you recognize that there's no such thing as "government" and it's all just people either acting voluntarily or using force, then you can start to understand objective morality, and THEN we can discuss action plans. And, it's not like I don't do anything. I am the only one on these forums even uttering the words voluntaryism, objective morality, natural law, all taxation is theft, you can't delegate rights to a representative that you don't have yourself.

FACT --> You have never encountered these ideas before.

FACT --> I was a former statist just like 99% of voluntaryists. We all start out as statists, because we were born into the K-12 indoctrination system.

Most people come into voluntaryism from the right, because they are pro freedom but just following the fake conservative politicians. However, I actually came into voluntaryism from the left. I used to come on these forums and talk about how great Bernie Sanders was. Then I was an Andrew Yang fan. Then I started learning about anarcho capitalism

My first reaction was the same. Nobody goes easy from statist to voluntaryist. It takes time. All I can hope to do is plant the seeds.

Peace. Love. Anarchy.

[Seattle or Bust]

And you've similarly been UP-PLAYING the entire event as though 2,000 people went in with guns, shot up the place and killed dozens of police officers. You want to treat people who merely stepped foot in the Capitol that day without doing a thing to serve several years in prison.

SOME people committed crimes of violence that day and WERE PUT INTO JAIL for 2 years, many of them without any past criminal history. Nobody on the right has claimed that THOSE people shouldn't have got what they deserved and if they do, then they are incorrect. However, we have people who peform the most violent of crimes who never step foot in jail, or criminals with long rap sheets that get out in a day, yet you want all the people who did NOTHING on that day to serve years and years?

Who is the one being unrealistic here?

We all KNOW why you want to UP-PLAY January 6th. It's the ONLY thing you have to hold on to. The only thing. And you repeat it over and over and over and over and over, because you have absolutely nothing else.

Many people on the right DO NOT believe that conservatives played a part that day or that they did anything wrong. BPJ and others on this board are shining examples.

I’m not uplaying anything. All I’ve said is that they attacked cops. The DOJ concluded over a 1000 assaults against police officers that day. I’d assume of varying severity.

You’re the only person who is altering the magnitude by claiming that some cops were hit with flag poles as the extent of what happened.

Question is, why are you in such vehement defense of people who attacked police officers?

Guess you can't read. I think I've said at least three times now that those people got what they deserved. I'm wondering how there could have been 1,000 assaults if there were only 1,200 police officers. Guess they counted every swing of every flagpole, bat or all other things that weren't guns (because guns obviously weren't used). Anyway, funny how quickly you switched it back to 1/6 instead of the BLM riots. Shouldn't all those BLM people have been locked up for 2 or more years based on what you want the 1/6 people to serve? Why aren't you out there protesting that those people didn't get what they deserved?

Anyway, short summary: MOST conservatives (I believe, a very large majority) think the J-6ers got what they deserved. I haven't heard a single liberal talk about going after or prosecuting anyone involved with the BLM riots even to this day. MOST liberals I've talked to think it was justified and a way to show how displeased they were at the George Floyd ordeal. Again, hypocrisy at its finest.

And - just a wild hunch. I bet there won't be any Charlie Kirk Life Mattered riots, looting or murders.

I can read just fine.

You're simply wrong. The vast majority of Conservatives do not believe (or pretend to not believe/deflect) Conservatives played a part in J6. They downplay what happened and blame groups like Antifa for planting people to riot. And many still believe the attack was warranted despite pretending Conservatives were not at fault (it's nauseating).

In fact, more Conservatives TODAY approve of the attack than when it happened 5 years ago... 30 goddam % of the Conservative population.



The group on the right who disavows what happened on J6 is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the groups who make of conspiracy theories to pretend it wasn't Conservatives or downplay it's significance.

[Seattle or Bust]

I feel bad for you that you're a hypocrite and don't live by the message you're espousing.

You're a phony.

Explain what I should do differently. What have I said that was disengenuine? Give me one example of this so-called hypocrisy you speak of.

What's "phony" is the fake left/right paradigm that you can't let go of. You can't come to terms with the fact that you personally advocate for violent aggression against your neighbors in order to force them to obey the will of the state. I recognize that's immoral. You don't. You are advocating for satanic practices.

Once you recognize that there's no such thing as "government" and it's all just people either acting voluntarily or using force, then you can start to understand objective morality, and THEN we can discuss action plans. And, it's not like I don't do anything. I am the only one on these forums even uttering the words voluntaryism, objective morality, natural law, all taxation is theft, you can't delegate rights to a representative that you don't have yourself.

FACT --> You have never encountered these ideas before.

FACT --> I was a former statist just like 99% of voluntaryists. We all start out as statists, because we were born into the K-12 indoctrination system.

Most people come into voluntaryism from the right, because they are pro freedom but just following the fake conservative politicians. However, I actually came into voluntaryism from the left. I used to come on these forums and talk about how great Bernie Sanders was. Then I was an Andrew Yang fan. Then I started learning about anarcho capitalism

My first reaction was the same. Nobody goes easy from statist to voluntaryist. It takes time. All I can hope to do is plant the seeds.

Peace. Love. Anarchy.

You work for a fucking software company FFS.

I told you what you should do:

Get off the grid. Stop relying on government provided amenities like the internet, power, water, etc... and practice what you're preaching. Until then, you're a hypocrite.

I've encountered these ideas before. They are as loony now with you've saying them as they've ever been.