M's expected to be in on Skubal per Buster Olney

[Donn Beach]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

[Big_Maple]

There's a price you would pay for an entire season of Skubal isn't there if it would lead to a meaningful run at a WS. Taking shots at what that is really is pretty meaningless. The price for Geno and Baylor was lower than what was anticipated, nobody complained about that price did they?. It's just going into the season with the attitude of having a shot rather than waiting for the deadline. And again, if the season goes sideways trade him at the deadline and recoup the cost

I don't disagree with your logic. I'm fully, completely and totally on board with it. Let's get bonkers - trade for him. I'd even buy his jersey.

What I am saying is that this does not seem to be the way the M's operate. Jerry won't break the farm for one year, and the organization is not likely going to pay out the money needed to extend him after the season is over (and since he's a Boras client, he's not going to sign an extension anyway). The M's do not get seriously involved with trades like Juan Soto or Corbin Burnes. To think otherwise is delulu.

The Mariners operate with the bold, uncompromising vision of a middle school librarian who has been told that the budget for new acquisitions has been cut by 78%, so she's just going to strategically rotate the same three copies of The Giver and hope nobody notices. They're just grimly adequate.

When the Dodgers look at a big trade, they see an opportunity for glory. When the Mariners look at a big trade, they see the potential for a 30-minute unscheduled video call with the club accountant about 'resource depletion' and 'the optics of high-leverage expenditure.' They are petrified of making a move that requires a signature using a pen nicer than the one you get at the bank counter.

[Seattle or Bust]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

I didn't and I was right.

Issue is, the Naylor/Geno trades are consistent with what I think they want their strategy to be.

They want to be within striking distance of the playoffs by the trade deadline and they feel with the current roster + coming prospects they can do that. They then feel they can supplement the roster by trading fringe prospects for rentals.

I don't think Skubal is consistent with that philosophy at all.

[Big_Maple]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

I didn't and I was right.

Issue is, the Naylor/Geno trades are consistent with what I think they want their strategy to be.

They want to be within striking distance of the playoffs by the trade deadline and they feel with the current roster + coming prospects they can do that. They then feel they can supplement the roster by trading fringe prospects for rentals.

I don't think Skubal is consistent with that philosophy at all.

Totally and completely agree. Could not have said it better myself.

[D-train]

The rumors are just that we are in on him as we should be. Where it the hell are you guys getting this drain the farm nonsense???? Maybe you guys are the clickbait. LOL

Why would the Dodgers Yankees are Mets drain there farms for one year of him. Are they all dumber than us????

Google dat shit and AI comes up with something like this:

To acquire Tarik Skubal, a team would likely need to trade two or three top-100 prospects, as well as a major-league-ready player, because of his high value as a top-tier starting pitcher. The Detroit Tigers reportedly have a very high asking price, and any potential trade partner would also likely need the financial flexibility to sign him to a long-term extension, as his contract situation is a key factor in the trade rumors.

Key components of a potential trade package

• High-level prospects: The Tigers' asking price is expected to include a package of multiple top-100 prospects. Examples of players mentioned in hypothetical packages include SS Colt Emerson, RHP Bryce Miller, and other young talents.

• Major-league-ready talent: In addition to prospects, the Tigers would want a player already contributing at the major league level. One executive mentioned a package that could include a player like RHP George Kirby.

• Financial flexibility for an extension: Because Skubal is likely to command a long-term deal worth hundreds of millions of dollars, the team acquiring him would need to be able and willing to sign him to an extension to make the trade worthwhile.

Teams that could be involved:

Big-market teams with top farm systems and a willingness to spend on a star pitcher are seen as logical trade partners.
Potential contenders include the Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, and New York Mets

But that's just AI...what does it know?

Here's an article from MLB.com that speculates what a Skubal trade would net:

The Corbin Burnes trade from February 2024 is the most apples-to-apples example, as the Brewers dealt the 2021 NL Cy Young Award winner to the Orioles one year prior to free agency. Milwaukee received left-hander DL Hall and infielder Joey Ortiz, a pair of Top 100 prospects, along with a Competitive Balance Round A Draft pick (No. 34 overall).

Three executives cited the Burnes trade as a strong comp, though all of them believe the Tigers will be able to extract more for Skubal.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-executives ... tial-trade

D-Train - I don't disagree with you - the M's could pull this off. They have the farm. It wouldn't cripple the farm to make a trade for Skubal. But it would cost several highly touted prospects plus some MLB-ready talent. My guess is that Jerry and company will leave the rotation alone (if it ain't broke). If he goes after anybody with prospects it will be a position player. A Skubal/Skenes will be too costly relative to what it brings back, and frankly it doesn't seem like our style.

The want a MLB ready player so it would take Kirby + a top 100 prospect. I would be happy to do that. One prospect out of 8 in the top 100 doesn't drain the farm.

[D-train]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

Great point though you still can't spell player names. lol Of course a year of Skubal is worth way more than 2 months of those guys but people are over estimating. He is expected to make over $20M next season which also dampens the price required to get him.

[D-train]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

I didn't and I was right.

Issue is, the Naylor/Geno trades are consistent with what I think they want their strategy to be.

They want to be within striking distance of the playoffs by the trade deadline and they feel with the current roster + coming prospects they can do that. They then feel they can supplement the roster by trading fringe prospects for rentals.

I don't think Skubal is consistent with that philosophy at all.

So you think Buster is full of shit and just speculating because they should be involved and doesn't have any sources? Very possible. I don't trust they greasy national writers.

[Donn Beach]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

I didn't and I was right.

Issue is, the Naylor/Geno trades are consistent with what I think they want their strategy to be.

They want to be within striking distance of the playoffs by the trade deadline and they feel with the current roster + coming prospects they can do that. They then feel they can supplement the roster by trading fringe prospects for rentals.

I don't think Skubal is consistent with that philosophy at all.

Would you trade Miller for Skubal?

[D-train]

I agree that trading prospects for a one year rental is diametrically opposed to the M's BS limp dicked philosophy but would trading 3 years of Kirby for one year of Skubal also be against it. I think it still would be but not as much.

[D-train]

Everyone in baseball had them needing to give up top 100 prospects to get both Baylor and Geno which wasn't even remotely the case

I didn't and I was right.

Issue is, the Naylor/Geno trades are consistent with what I think they want their strategy to be.

They want to be within striking distance of the playoffs by the trade deadline and they feel with the current roster + coming prospects they can do that. They then feel they can supplement the roster by trading fringe prospects for rentals.

I don't think Skubal is consistent with that philosophy at all.

Would you trade Miller for Sbubal?

I agree that trading prospects for a one year rental is diametrically opposed to the M's BS limp dicked philosophy but would trading 3 years of Kirby for one year of Skubal also be against it. I think it still would be but not as much. It comes down to if Buster has legit sources or is talking out his ass because he agrees with the rationale portion of the fan base that actually has balls that they should finally go for it and because he played college ball in Seattle.