Harmonious offseason plan

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Harmonious offseason plan

Post by harmony » Sat Nov 08, 2025 8:47 pm

Offseasons plans offered in November typically become cringe-worthy by time Spring Training rolls around. Nevertheless, here goes:

The Mariners reportedly are aiming for a 2026 payroll of about $166 million. In response to a payroll question at an early offseason media conference, PBO Jerry Dipoto was quoted “I would say similar to where we ended the year, as a starting point.”

Spotrac currently anticipates the Mariners with about $139 million in 2026 commitments, including projected arbitration raises:

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mariners/payroll

Cot’s Baseball Contracts has the projected commitments just shy of that total:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1520401900

Using the higher commitment figure, the Mariners could have about $27 million to spend in the offseason.

The three-prong plan:

1. Sign Japanese corner infielder Kazuma Okamoto for four years, $64 million

2. Engage frequent trade partner Tampa Bay in a blockbuster deal. Using surplus values from Baseball Trade Values and contracted or projected 2026 salaries:

C Luke Stevenson 8.2
SP Jurrangelo Cijntje 15.8
1B Luis Suisbel 2.6
26.6 surplus value

for

1B Yandy Diaz 4.7, $12 million
RP Edwin Uceta 4.7, $1.7 million
SP Ryan Pepiot 15, $3.8 million
2B Brandon Lowe -0.1, $11.5 million
24.3 surplus value, 2026 salaries $29 million


3. Engage Arizona in another salary dump

SP Luis Castillo -7.4, $24.15 million (plus $1 million assignment bonus)
OF/SS Tai Peete 6.5
0.9 negative value but in a tight market for established starting pitchers

for

LRP Carlos Rey

The Diamondbacks get a needed established starter and a prospect, whom if you squint your eyes hard enough, has some resemblance to Ketel Marte, who floundered in the Seattle system before blossoming in the desert. Rey is a 23-year-old left-hander who could not find the strike zone this year at the D-backs' High A affiliate in Oregon.

The plan trades away the Mariners’ Nos. 8. 10, 12 and 20 prospects at MLB Pipeline.

The Tampa Bay trade brings in $29 million in 2026 salaries, and the Okamoto contract adds another $16 million AAV for a total of $45 million. The Luis Castillo trade sheds about $23 million in salary for a net increase of about $22 million.

If the Mariners have $27 million to spend, those outlays of $22 million would leave about $5 million in the annual bargain hunt for depth pieces.

The only long-term commitment in the plan is the four-year contract for Okamoto. The signing would come with significant risks as FanGraphs projects Okamoto with a wRC+ of 75, a 25.7 percent strikeout rate and only 10 home runs in 102 games next year (despite Okamoto’s significantly more impressive numbers in Japan).

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/kazum ... #dashboard

The modest one-year commitments for Yandy Diaz and Brandon Lowe are advantageous because many of the M’s top infield prospects could be ready by 2027. The Mariners don’t have a top first-base prospect but Okamoto could slide over from third base to first base in 2027 to make room. If Cole Young, Ben Williamson and/or Colt Emerson appear ready by midseason, Diaz and/or Lowe could be flipped at the 2026 trade deadline for pitching depth, perhaps another lefty in the bullpen.

The plan fails to address the Mariners’ defensive woes as the M’s ranked 26th of 30 teams this season in defensive value:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... e=&month=0

Of particular concern is Brandon Lowe’s drop-off from a near average defensive second baseman to one of the worst in 2025 with minus 14 total runs saved:

https://archive.fieldingbible.com/DRSLeaderboard

Ryan Pepiot and Erwin Uceta come with three and four years of team control in arbitration.

The pitching staff with FanGraphs projected games, innings, ERA and WAR:

SP Logan Gilbert (29 G, 166 IP, 3.44 ERA, 3.2 WAR)
SP Bryan Woo (32 G, 198 IP, 3.59 ERA, 3.3 WAR)
SP George Kirby (32 G, 178 IP, 3.50 ERA, 3.2 WAR)
SP Ryan Pepiot (31 G, 175 IP, 3.86 ERA, 2.1 WAR)
SP Bryce Miller (26 G, 143 IP, 4.19 ERA, 1.4 WAR)
SP/RP Logan Evans ((32 G, 62 IP, 4.26 ERA, 0.2 WAR)
RP/SP Emerson Hancock (53 G, 68 IP, 4.11 ERA, 0.1 WAR)
CL Andres Munoz (64 G, 64 IP, 2.92 ERA, 1.2 WAR)
RP Matt Brash (63 G, 63 IP, 3.05 ERA, 0.9 WAR)
RP Gabe Speier (62 G, 6 IP, 3.21 ERA, 0.6 WAR)
RP Erwin Uceta (70 G, 70 IP, 3.87 ERA, 0.7 WAR)
RP Eduard Bazardo (70 G, 70 IP, 3.70 ERA. 0.4 WAR)
RP Carlos Vargas (56 G, 56 IP, 3.83 ERA, 0.0 WAR)

The lineup with FanGraphs projected games, wRC+, OBP, HR and WAR):

1B Yandy Diaz (149 G, 132 wRC+, .367 OBP, 22 HR, 2.9 WAR)
C Cal Raleigh (159 G, 129 wRC+, .330 OBP, 39 HR, 5.7 WAR)
CF Julio Rodriguez (159 G, 133 wRC+, .334 OBP, 33 HR, 6.2 WAR)
2B Brandon Lowe (126 G, 108 wRC+, .309. 26 HR, 2.3 WAR)
LF Randy Arozarena (157 G, 113 wRC+, .329 OBP, 23 HR, 2.0 WAR)
DH Dominic Canzone (120 G, 109 wRC+, .308 OBP, 21 HR, 1.2 WAR)
3B Kazuma Okamoto (102 G, 75 wRC+. .275 OBP, 10 HR, -0.2 WAR)
RF Luke Raley (126 G, 103 wRC+, .304 OBP, 20 HR, 1.1 WAR)
SS J.P. Crawford (147 G, 105 wRC+, .336 OBP, 12 HR, 2.6 WAR)

Even with Okamoto’s marked regression in transition, FanGraphs projects seven of nine Mariner starters with at least 20 home runs each.
The youthful bench will have Harry Ford, Cole Young, Ben Williamson and Victor Robles unless Young and Williamson would be better-served by more seasoning in the minors.

As always, let me take cover before you fire off your responses. ;)
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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:08 pm

Why sign Okamoto if FanGraphs projects that he's going to be trash?

I don't really see why the Rays would trade Pepiot... certainly not at that "value." He's cheap, got a couple years of control, and good.

Diaz and Lowe make a lot of sense... they have for a number of seasons now... but I don't see the Rays trading all of the veterans in one swoop.

Appreciate the effort.

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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:22 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:08 pm
Why sign Okamoto if FanGraphs projects that he's going to be trash?

I don't really see why the Rays would trade Pepiot... certainly not at that "value." He's cheap, got a couple years of control, and good.

Diaz and Lowe make a lot of sense... they have for a number of seasons now... but I don't see the Rays trading all of the veterans in one swoop.

Appreciate the effort.
That fangraphs projection is ridiculous he goes from a thousand Ops to 75 WRC plus? 11% k rate?

Ironic that Doug is ignoring fangraphs projections and you were questioning why we would sign him given those projections. LOL
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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:29 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:22 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:08 pm
Why sign Okamoto if FanGraphs projects that he's going to be trash?

I don't really see why the Rays would trade Pepiot... certainly not at that "value." He's cheap, got a couple years of control, and good.

Diaz and Lowe make a lot of sense... they have for a number of seasons now... but I don't see the Rays trading all of the veterans in one swoop.

Appreciate the effort.
That fangraphs projection is ridiculous he goes from a thousand Ops to 75 WRC plus? 11% k rate?

Ironic that Doug is ignoring fangraphs projections and you were questioning why we would sign him given those projections. LOL
My question was more pointing out the irony, ha.

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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:31 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:29 pm
D-train wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:22 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:08 pm
Why sign Okamoto if FanGraphs projects that he's going to be trash?

I don't really see why the Rays would trade Pepiot... certainly not at that "value." He's cheap, got a couple years of control, and good.

Diaz and Lowe make a lot of sense... they have for a number of seasons now... but I don't see the Rays trading all of the veterans in one swoop.

Appreciate the effort.
That fangraphs projection is ridiculous he goes from a thousand Ops to 75 WRC plus? 11% k rate?

Ironic that Doug is ignoring fangraphs projections and you were questioning why we would sign him given those projections. LOL
My question was more pointing out the irony, ha.
:lol:
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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by Pharmabro » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:33 pm

It’s a good plan. Lowe and Yandy allow you to pass on Polo and Josh. You made the effort to upgrade the BP.The Luis trade is something I thought might be done if we traded for Skubal. Good stuff and I could tell you put some work in. :D

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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:41 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:33 pm
It’s a good plan. Lowe and Yandy allow you to pass on Polo and Josh. You made the effort to upgrade the BP.The Luis trade is something I thought might be done if we traded for Skubal. Good stuff and I could tell you put some work in. :D
You can't trade Luis if you trade Kirby. I realize my plan is over budget but I don't give a F. That is the least these cheap bitches should be spending on payroll. The should be spending $215M just to match 2018 payroll and I only have them at about $175M
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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by Pharmabro » Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:48 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:41 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:33 pm
It’s a good plan. Lowe and Yandy allow you to pass on Polo and Josh. You made the effort to upgrade the BP.The Luis trade is something I thought might be done if we traded for Skubal. Good stuff and I could tell you put some work in. :D
You can't trade Luis if you trade Kirby. I realize my plan is over budget but I don't give a F. That is the least these cheap bitches should be spending on payroll. The should be spending $215M just to match 2018 payroll and I only have them at about $175M
I am just wanting to get out of the Felix-like drop in velocity we have seen. He was OK, 107 ERA+ and you could always hope for a rebound in b Velocity which happens on occasion but,,,. I am OK either way.

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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by harmony » Sun Nov 09, 2025 2:35 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 08, 2025 10:08 pm
Why sign Okamoto if FanGraphs projects that he's going to be trash?

I don't really see why the Rays would trade Pepiot... certainly not at that "value." He's cheap, got a couple years of control, and good.

Diaz and Lowe make a lot of sense... they have for a number of seasons now... but I don't see the Rays trading all of the veterans in one swoop.

Appreciate the effort.
Any offseason plan ... heck, any plan in life ... deserves a barely defensible high-risk move.

Kazuma Okamoto it is.

The Okamoto contract projections from major websites don't think Okamoto will post a negative WAR and a 75 wRC+ in 2026. His lower strikeout rate could make Okamoto more attractive than the more highly publicized and younger Munetaka Murakami.

BTW ZiPS projects Okamoto with 494 PA, 20 HR, .340 OBP, 117 wRC+, 2.4 WAR:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2026-top-50 ... ee-agents/

Scroll down to the Okamoto writeup at No. 21.

Perhaps this Mariner fan is biased after being in attendance for an Okamoto home run in Yokohama on April 9:

https://npb.jp/bis/eng/2025/games/s2025040900135.html

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Re: Harmonious offseason plan

Post by Big_Maple » Sun Nov 09, 2025 3:40 am

Would you consider Murakami instead?

I like the plan. I think the Rays would be willing to deal - but if we’re talking about a risky and untested move to deal with third base, I like the power that Murakami brings.

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