Teams that have started 4-9 or worse.

[Michael K.]

Not sure why they included "or worse" other than to spin it more negative.

If we want to treat all teams as equal, which is what this stat is doing, then sure the chances are low. But, if you consider the Mariners as a good team that's underachieving, played good teams, or caught some bad breaks, then it's a completely different analysis.

All teams equal means you start with a 1/30 chance.

Interpreting the loaded stat correctly you would see that it's insignificant. Doesn't matter. Can still make world series or win it. Not a death blow. Just 13 games.

Expanding... some of those teams were 0-13, 1-12, 2-11 and still included. Some of those teams continued to play like shit and did not make the playoffs, while other teams turned it around and some won the WS. In other words, all that stat tells you is that forecasting based on record after 13 games will not get you very far... you need the rest of the info.

What tells you the Mariners are a good team playing poorly? Sorry, not many believed Cal could hit the way he did last year, not many predicted Naylor to continue what he did in a Mariner uniform when he had never done anything like that before. Very few expected Randy to dominate, Julio to do jack shit until the All Star break, blah blah. What surprises you about this team taking a shit in April because they can't hit? Wash, rinse and repeate.

They were a floundering .500 team before two big splashes at the deadline last year. They may not even be in contention by then this season, but I just didn't see why everyone thought they would automatically just be better.

Cal couldn't be as good.
Naylor most likely wouldn't.
Young probably doesn't out perform Polanco
Donovan will get on base more, hit for less power and play much worse defense than Geno
JP is trash
The OF is the same
The DH sucks ass

What part of that didn't you see as a posibility? I love it, they are a good team because the press tells us so.

[DavidGee24]

I'm going to keep banging my drum. You look at the start, they have a .238 BABIP, they've played in some tough ballparks, and they have been up against some of the best rotations in baseball.

They've faced some good pitching but you should be able to score 2-3 runs off of good starting pitchers and they're not doing that, plus they faced some of the worst pitching in baseball in Anaheim and flatlined. But hopefully tonight that changes.

[GL_Storm]

I put the poor performance of the team so far squarely on Julio. This is his fifth major league season. Statistically, he's on a HOF trajectory. But the basic truth is that he's never been an especially good hitter, and he doesn't show any signs of becoming one.

[Pharmabro]

I had mistakenly made a game thread after our last loss which means whoever gets today’s game is guaranteed to win book it
Book it

[Big_Maple]

Remember. This team is a post all star game team. Julio doesn’t start clicking until, say, August.

But, It will be tough to make up the ground if they’re 20-60 in mid-July. And at their current pace, that would be generous.

I’ve seen slow starts before, but this shit is ridonculous

[Donn Beach]

From Salk, explaining it better than I can

the way they’ve played for the first couple weeks of the season is awful, and I recognize it. They’ve not played well at all. They haven’t hit, they haven’t pitched in key moments, and maybe most importantly and disturbingly, they haven’t played clean baseball. They’ve made way too many mental mistakes, they’ve made way too many physical mistakes, way too many fielding mistakes, and all of those things get exacerbated when you’re not hitting – and we all know they’re not hitting

[bpj]

From Salk, explaining it better than I can

the way they’ve played for the first couple weeks of the season is awful, and I recognize it. They’ve not played well at all. They haven’t hit, they haven’t pitched in key moments, and maybe most importantly and disturbingly, they haven’t played clean baseball. They’ve made way too many mental mistakes, they’ve made way too many physical mistakes, way too many fielding mistakes, and all of those things get exacerbated when you’re not hitting – and we all know they’re not hitting

They need to hit the ball.

They gave up 3 runs the other day, only 1 earned, and lost.

No amount of defense was going to win it.

[Donn Beach]

From Salk, explaining it better than I can

the way they’ve played for the first couple weeks of the season is awful, and I recognize it. They’ve not played well at all. They haven’t hit, they haven’t pitched in key moments, and maybe most importantly and disturbingly, they haven’t played clean baseball. They’ve made way too many mental mistakes, they’ve made way too many physical mistakes, way too many fielding mistakes, and all of those things get exacerbated when you’re not hitting – and we all know they’re not hitting

They need to hit the ball.

They gave up 3 runs the other day, only 1 earned, and lost.

No amount of defense was going to win it.

Of course they need to start hitting the ball, they also need to quit making all the screwy mistakes. I don't see why they are getting a pass for the crappy baseball they've been playing

[bpj]

From Salk, explaining it better than I can

They need to hit the ball.

They gave up 3 runs the other day, only 1 earned, and lost.

No amount of defense was going to win it.

Of course they need to start hitting the ball, they also need to quit making all the screwy mistakes. I don't see why they are getting a pass for the crappy baseball they've been playing

Probably because people realize that no matter what you still have to outscore the other team, not just keep them from scoring.

It's pretty obvious we need to make the average plays, and they haven't done it well.

But the offense has averaged 3.07 runs per game. 40 runs entering today in 13 games. The lowest number of runs scored in MLB going into the day.

Most people recognize the actual problem, the offense, not just that we shouldn't be losing as badly because the defense hasn't made some easy plays.

[Donn Beach]

It isn't an actual problem, it's multiple problems. I don't see a problem in complaining about all of them