Our minority assistant GM is on to the second round

[Donn Beach]

I know all this Michael. I'm not worried about losing him, it's part of the process. I'm saying we should respect the value he brought to the seahawks. It's exactly how we got JS. Did the Packers replace JS with the same value?Did the Ravens replace MM with equal value? It's transitional by its nature, but I also don't think you can assume it's no big deal replacing them. It's talent hunting just like it is with the players on the field.

[douche]

Sure, but what would they be trading? It's really impossible to quantify. I doubt JS is trading the value he reaped over the previous 13 years for two 3rds. Say they had the expectation of similar value for the next five years. I'd think they'd have to think about it.

He isn't trading thirteen years, he is trading one guy that helped him draft. You don't think we can find someone else to work with John that will bring equal value? He was here 13 years, so fuck him....he is probably the reason we drafted LJ Collier!

I can make that assumption just as easily as you can assume that we are going to suffer without him! We had some headscratchingly dumb drafts in those thirteen years. I put a lot of blame on Pete, but acting as though we are now going to curl up in a ball in the War Room and suck our thumbs on draft night is crazy.

Teasley was Assistant GM from 2023-2025, so how much input would he have had regarding the drafting of LJ Collier as Director of pro personnel? He was a scout from 2014-16. My point is, and I agree with you, I don't think the departure of Teasley is that big a deal. It's pro sports, people are always moving around and looking to ascend the ranks.

We've already found a new OC. Guess we'll find out how that goes.

[Donn Beach]

Winning seasons create problems. Next season of all goes well it's going to be QB issues again

[Michael K.]

Sure, but what would they be trading? It's really impossible to quantify. I doubt JS is trading the value he reaped over the previous 13 years for two 3rds. Say they had the expectation of similar value for the next five years. I'd think they'd have to think about it.

This seems to me to be valuing that one assistant GM more than the players we received for losing him. Not sure how all the things you have said in here all boil down to

I know all this Michael. I'm not worried about losing him, it's part of the process. I'm saying we should respect the value he brought to the seahawks.

You spent a lot of time and energy to tell us you aren't worried. If you're point was we should respect the value he brought here but we will be fine without him, why waste so much time saying so much other shit?

[Donn Beach]

Wait a minute, I didn't say we'd be fine without him. My point is we can't assume that. We can't assume any of these changes will be successful. Teasley's impact would be different than Walker or Kubiak. JS doesn't personally put together drafts. He relies on the talent in his office. He's losing some of that talent. Personally I'm concerned about losing Kubiak. I'm not seeing Price really as a Walker replacement out of the gate. How successful that transition will be I think depends a lot on the new OC. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they lean more to their passing offense. Teasley be a more subtle loss of an edge in talent going forward

[Donn Beach]

That they have a veteran offensive line I think really helps. That's what killed Grubb wasn't it. The combination of moving to the NFL and a less than ideal line. I said it then, what really seemed like a killer was replacing both the OC and offensive line coach with guys with no NFL experience. That seemed odd to me before the season began. Seems like you would want to pair your rookie OC with a veteran offensive line coach. JS and MM aren't infallible

[D-train]

Kubiak was far more successful than Grubb obviously so isn't it possible that the new OC is a little better than Kubiak?

[Michael K.]

Wait a minute, I didn't say we'd be fine without him. My point is we can't assume that. We can't assume any of these changes will be successful. Teasley's impact would be different than Walker or Kubiak. JS doesn't personally put together drafts. He relies on the talent in his office. He's losing some of that talent. Personally I'm concerned about losing Kubiak. I'm not seeing Price really as a Walker replacement out of the gate. How successful that transition will be I think depends a lot on the new OC. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they lean more to their passing offense. Teasley be a more subtle loss of an edge in talent going forward

So, when the drafts are bad it's on the GM, but when we have success all he is doing is what his team says? Dude...you are a trip!

[Donn Beach]

Kubiak was far more successful than Grubb obviously so isn't it possible that the new OC is a little better than Kubiak?

I don't see it as being good or bad, it's the learning curve aspect. Grubb I'm sure has a brilliant football mind but he struggled adopting to the NFL system. This reminds me of the Waldron hire. Waldron was supposed to be the junior McVay, a real hotshot. McVay was allowing him to do some play calling to prepare to move to OC. Fleury might be great, but I think it's unlikely he comes out of the gate better than Kubiak who had years of experience. It probably more accurate to compare Fleury to the initial Kubiak

[Donn Beach]

Wait a minute, I didn't say we'd be fine without him. My point is we can't assume that. We can't assume any of these changes will be successful. Teasley's impact would be different than Walker or Kubiak. JS doesn't personally put together drafts. He relies on the talent in his office. He's losing some of that talent. Personally I'm concerned about losing Kubiak. I'm not seeing Price really as a Walker replacement out of the gate. How successful that transition will be I think depends a lot on the new OC. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they lean more to their passing offense. Teasley be a more subtle loss of an edge in talent going forward

So, when the drafts are bad it's on the GM, but when we have success all he is doing is what his team says? Dude...you are a trip!

The GM is responsible for his staff, sure the GM gets the credit but it's his staff doing the lifting. When we talk about JS having a great draft, he's not running around scouting all the players, compiling reports. It's his staff he's relying on for the information. He's only going to be as good as the information he gets