A potential trade target for the M's

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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jun 11, 2026 2:19 am

Who knows if he'd be better, at least Refsnyder is familiar with the role, embraces it.


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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by harmony » Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:57 pm

Would anyone trade Luke Raley or Dominic Canzone (and a prospect) to Arizona for righthand-hitting outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and lefty reliever A.J. Puk?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... lo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... aj01.shtml

Gurriel and Puk are currently on rehab assignments as Gurriel recovers from a hamstring strain and Puk from Tommy John surgery.

The 32-year-old Gurriel has a 2026 salary of $13 million with a $14 million club option, or $5 million buyout, for 2027. The 31-year-old Puk has a 2026 salary of $3.1 million and becomes a free agent after this season.

Gurriel's production has tapered off since his 2023 All Star season but he still hits well against the lefties who have stymied the Mariners. Puk had posted an ERA of 1.78 (ERA+ of 240) in 38 appearances for the Diamonbacks over the past two seasons.

Raley and Canzone are somewhat redundant platoony lefthand-hitting outfielders/DH with multiple years of team control. Gurriel's righthanded bat could provide a potential 2027 replacement for Randy Arozarena, who is 16 months younger, although their recent outputs may be headed in opposite directions.

FanGraphs currently gives Arizona a 33.7 percent chance of advancing to the postseason. Whom would the Diamondbacks want in exchange for Gurriel and Puk? How much would Arizona's payroll relief reduce the return?

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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by D-train » Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:04 pm

harmony wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:57 pm
Would anyone trade Luke Raley or Dominic Canzone (and a prospect) to Arizona for righthand-hitting outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and lefty reliever A.J. Puk?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... lo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... aj01.shtml

Gurriel and Puk are currently on rehab assignments as Gurriel recovers from a hamstring strain and Puk from Tommy John surgery.

The 32-year-old Gurriel has a 2026 salary of $13 million with a $14 million club option, or $5 million buyout, for 2027. The 31-year-old Puk has a 2026 salary of $3.1 million and becomes a free agent after this season.

Gurriel's production has tapered off since his 2023 All Star season but he still hits well against the lefties who have stymied the Mariners. Puk had posted an ERA of 1.78 (ERA+ of 240) in 38 appearances for the Diamonbacks over the past two seasons.

Raley and Canzone are somewhat redundant platoony lefthand-hitting outfielders/DH with multiple years of team control. Gurriel's righthanded bat could provide a potential 2027 replacement for Randy Arozarena, who is 16 months younger, although their recent outputs may be headed in opposite directions.

FanGraphs currently gives Arizona a 33.7 percent chance of advancing to the postseason. Whom would the Diamondbacks want in exchange for Gurriel and Puk? How much would Arizona's payroll relief reduce the return?
So were those the two worst trade targets you could possibly find? An OFer with a .589 OPS (even if you include is 2025 season he has a sub .700 OPS) and a LH reliever (which we already have two very good ones) who has pitched 8 innings since 2024. And no Raley and Canzone aren't redundant in the least. They are in the lineup together about 70% of games at RF and DH.
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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by D-train » Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:10 pm

My #1 trade for a position player atm is Contreras. .897 OPS (.834 vs. RHPs and 1.058 OPS vs LHPs) just a bit better than Gurriel...
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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:33 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:04 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:57 pm
Would anyone trade Luke Raley or Dominic Canzone (and a prospect) to Arizona for righthand-hitting outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and lefty reliever A.J. Puk?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... lo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... aj01.shtml

Gurriel and Puk are currently on rehab assignments as Gurriel recovers from a hamstring strain and Puk from Tommy John surgery.

The 32-year-old Gurriel has a 2026 salary of $13 million with a $14 million club option, or $5 million buyout, for 2027. The 31-year-old Puk has a 2026 salary of $3.1 million and becomes a free agent after this season.

Gurriel's production has tapered off since his 2023 All Star season but he still hits well against the lefties who have stymied the Mariners. Puk had posted an ERA of 1.78 (ERA+ of 240) in 38 appearances for the Diamonbacks over the past two seasons.

Raley and Canzone are somewhat redundant platoony lefthand-hitting outfielders/DH with multiple years of team control. Gurriel's righthanded bat could provide a potential 2027 replacement for Randy Arozarena, who is 16 months younger, although their recent outputs may be headed in opposite directions.

FanGraphs currently gives Arizona a 33.7 percent chance of advancing to the postseason. Whom would the Diamondbacks want in exchange for Gurriel and Puk? How much would Arizona's payroll relief reduce the return?
So were those the two worst trade targets you could possibly find? An OFer with a .589 OPS (even if you include is 2025 season he has a sub .700 OPS) and a LH reliever (which we already have two very good ones) who has pitched 8 innings since 2024. And no Raley and Canzone aren't redundant in the least. They are in the lineup together about 70% of games at RF and DH.
Not to mention Gurriel has been doing it while playing half his games in a hitter's park. And "still hits well against lefties" are the exact words that supposedly described Refsnyder, Garver, Solano, and Pollock. This might be the worst trade idea we've seen here this season, and that's without even naming any of our players leaving in a trade. If the D-Backs traded us those two to us in exchange for a bag of dogshit we'd probably still lose the trade.

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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by bpj » Thu Jun 11, 2026 5:57 pm

harmony wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:57 pm
Would anyone trade Luke Raley or Dominic Canzone (and a prospect) to Arizona for righthand-hitting outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and lefty reliever A.J. Puk?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... lo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... aj01.shtml

Gurriel and Puk are currently on rehab assignments as Gurriel recovers from a hamstring strain and Puk from Tommy John surgery.

The 32-year-old Gurriel has a 2026 salary of $13 million with a $14 million club option, or $5 million buyout, for 2027. The 31-year-old Puk has a 2026 salary of $3.1 million and becomes a free agent after this season.

Gurriel's production has tapered off since his 2023 All Star season but he still hits well against the lefties who have stymied the Mariners. Puk had posted an ERA of 1.78 (ERA+ of 240) in 38 appearances for the Diamonbacks over the past two seasons.

Raley and Canzone are somewhat redundant platoony lefthand-hitting outfielders/DH with multiple years of team control. Gurriel's righthanded bat could provide a potential 2027 replacement for Randy Arozarena, who is 16 months younger, although their recent outputs may be headed in opposite directions.

FanGraphs currently gives Arizona a 33.7 percent chance of advancing to the postseason. Whom would the Diamondbacks want in exchange for Gurriel and Puk? How much would Arizona's payroll relief reduce the return?
FWIW those guys suck.

FWIW, Raley and Canzone don't suck.

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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by rockycola » Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:40 pm

bpj wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 5:57 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:57 pm
Would anyone trade Luke Raley or Dominic Canzone (and a prospect) to Arizona for righthand-hitting outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and lefty reliever A.J. Puk?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... lo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... aj01.shtml

Gurriel and Puk are currently on rehab assignments as Gurriel recovers from a hamstring strain and Puk from Tommy John surgery.

The 32-year-old Gurriel has a 2026 salary of $13 million with a $14 million club option, or $5 million buyout, for 2027. The 31-year-old Puk has a 2026 salary of $3.1 million and becomes a free agent after this season.

Gurriel's production has tapered off since his 2023 All Star season but he still hits well against the lefties who have stymied the Mariners. Puk had posted an ERA of 1.78 (ERA+ of 240) in 38 appearances for the Diamonbacks over the past two seasons.

Raley and Canzone are somewhat redundant platoony lefthand-hitting outfielders/DH with multiple years of team control. Gurriel's righthanded bat could provide a potential 2027 replacement for Randy Arozarena, who is 16 months younger, although their recent outputs may be headed in opposite directions.

FanGraphs currently gives Arizona a 33.7 percent chance of advancing to the postseason. Whom would the Diamondbacks want in exchange for Gurriel and Puk? How much would Arizona's payroll relief reduce the return?
FWIW those guys suck.

FWIW, Raley and Canzone don't suck.
And fwiw, rosterbating trade scenarios is a bloody bore.
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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by HawkandMariner88 » Fri Jun 12, 2026 1:31 am

D-train wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:10 pm
My #1 trade for a position player atm is Contreras. .897 OPS (.834 vs. RHPs and 1.058 OPS vs LHPs) just a bit better than Gurriel...

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I was thinking him too. He could spell Naylor at 1B.

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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by harmony » Fri Jun 12, 2026 2:28 pm

rockycola wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:40 pm
bpj wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 5:57 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 3:57 pm
Would anyone trade Luke Raley or Dominic Canzone (and a prospect) to Arizona for righthand-hitting outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. and lefty reliever A.J. Puk?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... lo01.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... aj01.shtml

Gurriel and Puk are currently on rehab assignments as Gurriel recovers from a hamstring strain and Puk from Tommy John surgery.

The 32-year-old Gurriel has a 2026 salary of $13 million with a $14 million club option, or $5 million buyout, for 2027. The 31-year-old Puk has a 2026 salary of $3.1 million and becomes a free agent after this season.

Gurriel's production has tapered off since his 2023 All Star season but he still hits well against the lefties who have stymied the Mariners. Puk had posted an ERA of 1.78 (ERA+ of 240) in 38 appearances for the Diamonbacks over the past two seasons.

Raley and Canzone are somewhat redundant platoony lefthand-hitting outfielders/DH with multiple years of team control. Gurriel's righthanded bat could provide a potential 2027 replacement for Randy Arozarena, who is 16 months younger, although their recent outputs may be headed in opposite directions.

FanGraphs currently gives Arizona a 33.7 percent chance of advancing to the postseason. Whom would the Diamondbacks want in exchange for Gurriel and Puk? How much would Arizona's payroll relief reduce the return?
FWIW those guys suck.

FWIW, Raley and Canzone don't suck.
And fwiw, rosterbating trade scenarios is a bloody bore.
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Dominic Canzone and Luke Raley could have limited postseason value facing left-handers such as Max Fried, Carlos Rodon, Ryan Weathers, Tarik Skubal and Framber Valdez.

The Mariners currently rank last in the American League in wRC+ against lefties:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1

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Re: A potential trade target for the M's

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Jun 12, 2026 2:44 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2026 2:28 pm
rockycola wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:40 pm
bpj wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2026 5:57 pm


FWIW those guys suck.

FWIW, Raley and Canzone don't suck.
And fwiw, rosterbating trade scenarios is a bloody bore.
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Thanks for the feedback! :D

Dominic Canzone and Luke Raley could have limited postseason value facing left-handers such as Max Fried, Carlos Rodon, Ryan Weathers, Tarik Skubal and Framber Valdez.

The Mariners currently rank last in the American League in wRC+ against lefties:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
I mean... rosterbating is one thing.

This trade is a whole nother thing.

Gurriel has been worth .4 bWAR over his last full season. This year he has a .619 OPS vs lefties. AJ Puk is coming off "elbow surgery" and recently had a setback in his rehab.

Raley and Canzone have been worth about 2 bWAR... both are under cheap control... and you want to offload one of them for 2x rentals who have been injured?

And it really shouldn't matter if the players are redundant. I can't think of a baseball team that should complain about having "too much" offense. If you're going to trade one of them... it better be for some pretty good offense back.

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