PCJS marriage

[D-train]

I guess people expect it to be Rock of Gibraltar size and its only about the size of a go cart. I guess that is disappointing to some.

[Donn Beach]

Well, the pilgrims never mentioned a rock, it came afterwards. And then it was referred to as the place they landed, like a destination, so they stepped off their ship on to that rock? They broke the thing in two trying to move it. Its like the original tourist attraction, in that it probably has value

its wiki

Plymouth Rock is the traditional site of disembarkation of William Bradford and the Mayflower Pilgrims who founded Plymouth Colony in December 1620. The Pilgrims did not refer to Plymouth Rock in any of their writings; the first known written reference to the rock dates to 1715 when it was described in the town boundary records as "a great rock."The first documented claim that Plymouth Rock was the landing place of the Pilgrims was made by Elder Thomas Faunce in 1741, 121 years after the Pilgrims arrived in Plymouth. From that time to the present, Plymouth Rock has occupied a prominent spot in American tradition and has been interpreted by later generations as a symbol of both the virtues and the flaws of the first English people who colonized New England.

In 1774, the rock broke in half during an attempt to haul it to Town Square in Plymouth. One portion remained in Town Square and was moved to Pilgrim Hall Museum in 1834. It was rejoined with the other portion of the rock, which was still at its original site on the shore of Plymouth Harbor, in 1880. The rock is now ensconced beneath a granite canopy designed by McKim, Mead & White.

[D-train]

We are 7.5 miles south at White Horse beach.

[Michael K.]

Yes i agreee can't wait to get back to those 4 and 12 years or better yet the 3 and 13 ones give me a break and enjoy the damn ride these guys just might have another championship in them, maybe not but its a lot more enjoyable now then in the past!!!!

That may happen with our without Pete and John. Which is the damn point. Maximize what we have right now, which is a guy probably behind only Pat Mahomes in the NFL. Do you read about Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Or Deshaun Watson begging guys to come sign or asking the organization to bring in Stars?

This run will be over when Russ leaves. And if anyone things squeezing into the Wildcard round and spending the first half of playoff games curled into a ball taking body blows is what he wants? Your fooling yourself. We keep this up and has demands for his next contract will be astronomical!

I was all in a couple of years ago after they missed the playoffs and decided to cut the fat. That was a great move, and making the playoffs the next season was a crazy accomplishment. But, this? The only player we added that is arguably better than what we had before is an injury prone Corner Back! Every team in our division has gone to the Conference Championship game more recently than us. You don’t break that trend by swapping junk for junk.

Everyone tells us we can’t draft studs because we draft too late. Those same guys are telling us we can’t judge this off season yet because the draft is yet to come! What is it? Can we not get studs in the drafts due to our lose draft spot, or not?

In January we lost a playoff game. All that was talked about was how we would take our large amount of cap space and improve

1. O Line. We have not. I guess we can all rely on our vast expertise of drafting stud O Lineman
2. D Line. The guy who many say is the best D Lineman available was on our bad defense last year and is still unsigned so we could sign two guys who would be great as our 3rd and 4th options. I guess we can rely on our vast expertise of drafting stud D Lineman.
3. We’d give Russ weapons. We added an older TE who, IMO, will help...but I wouldn’t call a weapon, and a track guy that has really never shown much more than speed. We couldn’t figure out how to use Percy Harvin, how will this be different?

How are we not right now worse than we were going into the Green Bay game? Add four scrub O Lineman to replace a guy that never missed a start and lose the best pass rusher on a bad defense? We are pretty much saying we believe Carson is going to come back fully healthy and never miss a start and the guys that couldn’t get it done on defense last year all of a sudden will.

No one is saying they want us to go 3 and 13. But, while we have one of the best QBs in the game, I’d like to stop hearing the excuse of how we were almost there...if we would have just not had to play playoff games on the road, if if if. The IF we should be talking about is what if we surrounded Russ with weapons and played a game that suited our strengths?

DT posted an interesting article about Don Shula completely changing his entire offensive philosophy around a QB. This was back in the 80s when slinging it all over the field wasn’t the in thing to do. Two years ago I was all for the ground and pound. But, for two straight year’s I’ve also watched what it does. You can’t keep RBs and O Lineman healthy, and by the end of the year we are pulling guys out of retirement, or playing a team in the playoffs designed to stop your run game....and we refuse to adapt.

All you people saying to watch what you wish for? Watch what happens if this team, coached this way making off season decisions this way....doesn’t have Russ!

[D-train]

Yes i agreee can't wait to get back to those 4 and 12 years or better yet the 3 and 13 ones give me a break and enjoy the damn ride these guys just might have another championship in them, maybe not but its a lot more enjoyable now then in the past!!!!

From 2003-07 we won 51 games and were a horridly officiated game from winning the SB. Following that run we did have one 4-12 season. Prior to that it was FORTY years ago that we had our other 4-12 season. We have literally NEVER had a 3-13 season. We also averaged 10 wins a season from 1983-87.

So let's not pretend averaging 10 wins a season like we have the past five years while winning 3 playoff games vs. incredibly weak opponents is unprecedented and can never ever be replicated again once PC/JS are gone.

[Donn Beach]

just interesting the eagerness to find out

[Michael K.]

just interesting the eagerness to find out

What's interesting is the apathy and flat out acceptance towards just above average. Is our QB just above average? When Russ leaves we are likely screwed, as would most NFL teams when a generational talent leaves. It would be nice to know we had a string of 12 win seasons and Championship games and maybe a Lombardi or two....instead of being thrilled with WCs and second round butt whoopings.

The Saints lost an NFC title game and sued the league....we lose in the WC or second round and throw a fucking parade because "it could be worse."

[BaseHitDerby]

just interesting the eagerness to find out

What's interesting is the apathy and flat out acceptance towards just above average. Is our QB just above average? When Russ leaves we are likely screwed, as would most NFL teams when a generational talent leaves. It would be nice to know we had a string of 12 win seasons and Championship games and maybe a Lombardi or two....instead of being thrilled with WCs and second round butt whoopings.

The Saints lost an NFC title game and sued the league....we lose in the WC or second round and throw a fucking parade because "it could be worse."

Our boys play hard man.

[Michael K.]

Haha, yep, they tried.

Any Husky fan that was on the Times years ago...remember the crowd that thought we were doomed without seven win Sarkisian? Now we get pissed when we dont win the Conference AFTER he was gone.

Loved DTs post. Yes, there were bad times, but we had some damn good ones too. None with a better QB. We are pissing away his prime.

[Donn Beach]

just interesting the eagerness to find out

What's interesting is the apathy and flat out acceptance towards just above average. Is our QB just above average? When Russ leaves we are likely screwed, as would most NFL teams when a generational talent leaves. It would be nice to know we had a string of 12 win seasons and Championship games and maybe a Lombardi or two....instead of being thrilled with WCs and second round butt whoopings.

The Saints lost an NFC title game and sued the league....we lose in the WC or second round and throw a fucking parade because "it could be worse."

I don't know what you mean by, "just above average". I think they are behind only the Patriots since RW entered the league, that's it, I would call that better than just above average. They have had the greatest run in Hawk history, I would call that better than just above average. I remember you arguing not to extend RW in the first place, that they have a better chance to make it back to a SB without him. I thought the Saints were one of your examples of a team crippled by paying for a franchise qb. Yeah, the Hawks have a generational talent, but the way the league is set up it makes it difficult to take advantage of it, everything is about parity. Its funny to me how now the argument is having a franchise qb should make it a slam dunk...go figure

And you keep going on about RW leaving...where is he going exactly?

and this pissing away RW's prime crap, how about the Saints and Brees. You think they have taken better advantage of his talent? The Saints have a great organization, great coach, they have surrounded Brees with one of the most loaded rosters in the league but what has it gotten them? Its not easy getting to a SB.

Reason for optimism: Back-to-back 13-win seasons and one of the NFL's most loaded rosters. Unfortunately that didn't amount to much this season, with a stunning first-round playoff loss to the Vikings. But there's a reason why the Saints have been in a position to suffer three consecutive gut-wrenching playoff exits. They had a total of 14 players named to either the Pro Bowl or an Associated Press All-Pro team this past season.