Winners and Loser per FG

[seattlefan-daBronx]

Reed reminds me of Kyle Seager.
He has his moments but seems to just have warning track power.
I heard Reeds name a few times putting pressure on the QB which is good.
I think he had 1 of the 2 sacks they got.
The defensive line did seem to dial it up a bit coming out of half.
That pass rush is THE biggest hole we have right now vs. anyone.
Granted our secondary was beat up and crappy but if the line was consistant we'd be in better shape.
Troubling!

[Bil522]

The four key O line additions:

Warmack Opt out
Cedric O. Injured
Finney Benched
Shell Sucks

Meanwhile Jack Conklin has a PFF grade of 76 which is Pro Bowl caliber

Depth, remember? In the mean time, we have had to play backups a few times this year. They were Jones and Simmons...two guys we had BEFORE we went out and signed depth! Was very odd.

Not going to disagree but some of the sacks were totally Wilson's fault for hanging onto the ball too long.

[Michael K.]

Not going to disagree but some of the sacks were totally Wilson's fault for hanging onto the ball too long.

No doubt, but that is a function of two things. The way he plays and the way the offense works. I don't see that going away...but you are exactly right. I think the line may always look a little worse because of that.

[D-train]

Not going to disagree but some of the sacks were totally Wilson's fault for hanging onto the ball too long.

No doubt, but that is a function of two things. The way he plays and the way the offense works. I don't see that going away...but you are exactly right. I think the line may always look a little worse because of that.

Yep, I think RW has a vision of and amount of separation that he needs to see to pull the trigger and it is larger than most QBs. If is isn't there he holds onto the ball for better or worse...

[Donn Beach]

I thought he just was too intent on trying to make a play...

here is Bevel on it, this is pretty old, 2015

"I would say it’s probably a minor problem," Bevell said. "But there’s definitely times when Russell could help out the protection and get it out. The fine line is there is he does such great things with his feet. We coach really hard the second-chance opportunities. You’ve seen times where we haven’t blocked it very well, and he ends up escaping and making plays, and we get a second-chance opportunity down the field. So we’re coaching hard the opportunities where he can get the ball out quick and say, ‘ok, here’s exactly how we want you to do it.’ But then we don’t really want to take that opportunity away from him either where he has that ability to create those second-chance opportunities for us. Because we do it really well. Our receivers are really in tune to it, they get open, we get really big plays that way. So that’s a fine line that we’re walking there."

[D-train]

I thought he just was too intent on trying to make a play...

here is Bevel on it, this is pretty old, 2015

"I would say it’s probably a minor problem," Bevell said. "But there’s definitely times when Russell could help out the protection and get it out. The fine line is there is he does such great things with his feet. We coach really hard the second-chance opportunities. You’ve seen times where we haven’t blocked it very well, and he ends up escaping and making plays, and we get a second-chance opportunity down the field. So we’re coaching hard the opportunities where he can get the ball out quick and say, ‘ok, here’s exactly how we want you to do it.’ But then we don’t really want to take that opportunity away from him either where he has that ability to create those second-chance opportunities for us. Because we do it really well. Our receivers are really in tune to it, they get open, we get really big plays that way. So that’s a fine line that we’re walking there."

I would love to see a stat on yards per attempt when he throws on his first opportunity vs. yards per play when he holds onto it after not being satisfied with the first option. They second would include scrambles and sacks. My guess is the former would be much higher.

[Donn Beach]

I don't know...it could be interesting, he could very well have a higher percentage of incompletions, but you would be comparing it to him tossing the ball away in the first place. And the fact is he has made some tremendous plays on second chance opportunities. I thought that was what made him such a headache to defend.

[Michael K.]

I don't know...it could be interesting, he could very well have a higher percentage of incompletions, but you would be comparing it to him tossing the ball away in the first place. And the fact is he has made some tremendous plays on second chance opportunities. I thought that was what made him such a headache to defend.

Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. IMO, Russ extending plays ends up with more positive than negative. He very rarely turns the ball over and we often times seem to get big plays. If a few sacks result? That is worth it. It is math. The production of the offense seems to very rarely be in question, how the offense is run often was. The ball in Russ' hand gives us the best chance to win. Once again, Math.

Which is why some of the things that seem so basic to me that we did wrong used to get me so annoyed. If it is third and three in the third quarter, don't call a timeout if it looks like you might get a delay. I like Russ' chances on third and eight AND I want the timeout for later in the game. I HATED the dive play on second and long. We not only did it so much EVERYONE knew it, but the reward was so low. I guess I have been a "let Russ cook" guy for a lot longer than even I thought.

Mostly, what both of those things did, to me, was make Pete out to be a liar. For years we heard about how Russ was the man, but he never let him be the man, until it was almost too late and we had to have Superman.

[Bil522]

I don't know...it could be interesting, he could very well have a higher percentage of incompletions, but you would be comparing it to him tossing the ball away in the first place. And the fact is he has made some tremendous plays on second chance opportunities. I thought that was what made him such a headache to defend.

Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. IMO, Russ extending plays ends up with more positive than negative. He very rarely turns the ball over and we often times seem to get big plays. If a few sacks result? That is worth it. It is math. The production of the offense seems to very rarely be in question, how the offense is run often was. The ball in Russ' hand gives us the best chance to win. Once again, Math.

Which is why some of the things that seem so basic to me that we did wrong used to get me so annoyed. If it is third and three in the third quarter, don't call a timeout if it looks like you might get a delay. I like Russ' chances on third and eight AND I want the timeout for later in the game. I HATED the dive play on second and long. We not only did it so much EVERYONE knew it, but the reward was so low. I guess I have been a "let Russ cook" guy for a lot longer than even I thought.

Mostly, what both of those things did, to me, was make Pete out to be a liar. For years we heard about how Russ was the man, but he never let him be the man, until it was almost too late and we had to have Superman.

Yet, there is consistently harping that the line should be better. Drop a third off of the sacks and hits that Russ takes because he holds onto the ball too much and you have a line that has not been nearly as bad as most have been screaming for years.

[TraderGary]

Not going to disagree but some of the sacks were totally Wilson's fault for hanging onto the ball too long.

No doubt, but that is a function of two things. The way he plays and the way the offense works. I don't see that going away...but you are exactly right. I think the line may always look a little worse because of that.

Yep, I think RW has a vision of and amount of separation that he needs to see to pull the trigger and it is larger than most QBs. If is isn't there he holds onto the ball for better or worse...

I completely agree and have believed that for quite some time. But I wonder how much of that is dictated by PC and his fear of turning the ball over, or simply the influence PC has had on Russ in regard to protecting the ball at all costs which may make him hesitant to throw the ball into tight windows.