2020-2021 Hot Stove Thread

[D-train]

you think your baseball world is more real than Dipotos"s?...ok

Jesus and you wonder why you drive people f-ing nuts. Every move you posted was administrative shuffling of our own players on and off the 40 man an IL. Any idiot knew what I was talking about and didn't need me to spell it out as in I wonder why JD has not completed a trade for another teams players for some of our players or signed a free agent to a major league contract.

Did you honestly think you were informing me of roster moves that I was unaware of by posting that link. Rhetorical question.

[D-train]

yeah, forty mil seems to be the number for a single year. Get him to forgo?...I understood he doesn't want a multi year contract. Personally. I am in the Charley's Findley school of ML contracts, they all should be one year. But there would need to be some adjustments to the system i guess to make that really feasible

What I mean is if he has 5/150 on the table, its going to take significantly more per year over 1 or 2 years to still give him the chance to earn more over the course of his final seasons than he would have at 5/150.

He has to think that after two years he could do better than the remaining 3/70M he would have gotten from the Giants or whoever.

The reason he wanted to go yearly is to maximize his yearly earnings. There has to be an obvious benefit to him over the 5/150. 2/80 might not even be enough incentive given his age. Maybe it will really be about "situation," but dudes on the tail end of his career now, we'll see where he ends up, I think he'll take the 5 years somewhere.

He could easily become one of these $11M per year guys by then. How much will he bet on himself..

Yep, ignoring the NPV aspect of the time value of money he would be betting than he does better than 70 mil in years 3-5. $23 mil per. That is quite a bet.

[D-train]

I wonder if Gravemen is not locked into the pen or if he neck issue might be resolved by ST.

[Donn Beach]

that...his reason he claims to want to go one year contracts

“I want to be on a contender every year because I love competing at the highest level and the highest level is the World Series,” he said. “So I want to have a chance to go to the World Series every single year.

Every professional athlete says this.

no they don't, i have never heard of one before wanting a one year contract

[Donn Beach]

you think your baseball world is more real than Dipotos"s?...ok

Jesus and you wonder why you drive people f-ing nuts. Every move you posted was administrative shuffling of our own players on and off the 40 man an IL. Any idiot knew what I was talking about and didn't need me to spell it out as in I wonder why JD has not completed a trade for another teams players for some of our players or signed a free agent to a major league contract.

Did you honestly think you were informing me of roster moves that I was unaware of by posting that link. Rhetorical question.

those were FA signings, yeah minor league contracts, that why i asked, you meant like a major move. I didn't think i was telling you something you didn't know. I was wondering about the not being surprised part. I thought he had set us up to not expect much, his just dealing with the bp and all that. He is busy on his little moves, those are cannon fodder for bp competition i am going to guess

Seattle Mariners signed free agent RHP Matt Magill to a minor league contract.
11/17/20 Seattle Mariners signed free agent RHP Gerson Bautista to a minor league contract.
11/16/20 Seattle Mariners signed free agent RHP Brady Lail to a minor league contract.
11/06/20 Seattle Mariners signed free agent RHP Moises Gomez to a minor league contract.
11/06/20 Seattle Mariners signed free agent RHP Vinny Nittoli to a minor league contract.

[bpj]

that...his reason he claims to want to go one year contracts

“I want to be on a contender every year because I love competing at the highest level and the highest level is the World Series,” he said. “So I want to have a chance to go to the World Series every single year.

$45 million/year for two years and he could be convinced we're contenders. See how that works?

[bpj]

that...his reason he claims to want to go one year contracts

Every professional athlete says this.

no they don't, i have never heard of one before wanting a one year contract

“Why would you lock yourself in a situation that may not make you happy? I think that’s highly inefficient. Everybody is afraid of risk. Everyone is scared."

Donn you seem to be focusing in on the "I want to be on a contender every year" comment.

Flexibility and the player taking on the risk of going year to year with the end result being more dollars earned with the risk being getting injured, is what I believe was implied in the risk part.

Also implied, who pays the most money for one year of a player? Contenders.

[bpj]

yeah, forty mil seems to be the number for a single year. Get him to forgo?...I understood he doesn't want a multi year contract. Personally. I am in the Charley's Findley school of ML contracts, they all should be one year. But there would need to be some adjustments to the system i guess to make that really feasible

What I mean is if he has 5/150 on the table, its going to take significantly more per year over 1 or 2 years to still give him the chance to earn more over the course of his final seasons than he would have at 5/150.

He has to think that after two years he could do better than the remaining 3/70M he would have gotten from the Giants or whoever.

The reason he wanted to go yearly is to maximize his yearly earnings. There has to be an obvious benefit to him over the 5/150. 2/80 might not even be enough incentive given his age. Maybe it will really be about "situation," but dudes on the tail end of his career now, we'll see where he ends up, I think he'll take the 5 years somewhere.

He could easily become one of these $11M per year guys by then. How much will he bet on himself..

Yep, ignoring the NPV aspect of the time value of money he would be betting than he does better than 70 mil in years 3-5. $23 mil per. That is quite a bet.

What kind of a gamble is 2 years/85million compared to 5 years/150 million?

If my club is in the Mariners position and the player is over 26 years old, it seems crazy, but I think I take the 2/85 nine out of ten times.

The thought of paying Bauer $42.5M in 2021 and 2022 with our current payroll concerns me less than still paying him $30M in 2025 and knowing he would still be guaranteed innings.

We all know they won't spend it if they don't spend it. They're not saving for a rainy day.

Passing on Bauer would be looking a gift horse in the mouth, imo. What else are they going to spend the money on...

Yes I know thats a ton of money. But its less scary to me than a $300M contract that teams are also handing out.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

Has anyone heard if we are having a minor league season this spring? If they move forward with a full season than hopefully Evan white and maybe even Mitch Haniger start there and Get there problems fixed, Evan at this point is looking more like a bust at the plate, sure he might figure it out at the big game, but it’s hard to do and he looks like he just guessing at the plate at this point. To project that Mitch will be ready when we break camp is a stretch which leaves us with several big holes on opening day.
Add it all up and it just seems to be jumping the gun to go all in this yr for a season that is so full of question marks. Sure this team has a horrible history of never really spending when they needed to, However with the wuflu being so politicized to the point of punting on another yr, We are really in a great spot with no payroll and tons of talent. I would love to see Bauer in a Mariners uniform, but if he really only wants a one yr deal then pay him $45 for 2022

[BaseHitDerby]

that...his reason he claims to want to go one year contracts

Every professional athlete says this.

no they don't, i have never heard of one before wanting a one year contract

EVERY pro athlete says they want to play for a contender, championship, blah blah blah. 99% of the time it turns out to be about the $$$$$.