The slightly too early trade deadline thread

[D-train]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/ ... andez.html

[Juliooooo]

Whether or not they trade him depends on the return. Top 15-20 prospect, do it. That’s likely where the comp pick would end up. I don’t think him accepting a QO is a bad thing though. I’d be fine with him back next year

[Michael K.]

I can see why, I mean, look at the massive success they have both been this season?

There lines are strikingly similar

Teo .242/.293/.421/.713 16 HRs 131 Ks

Julio .244/.311/.398/.709 14 HRs 114 Ks

I think Julio has had more bad luck with hard hit balls, but he’s definitely not hitting like last year. I think he’ll figure it out though.

And how many games out of the playoff chase will we be then? This is exactly why they needed to not stand pat offensively and believe that adding garbage at DH plus Teo was going to get us over the top. In actuality? Adding Teo was just a moderate improvement if not lateral move from RF last year anyway right? They just banked on striking lightening in a bottle with Cal, JK, France and Geno either not regressing or making, in some cases VAST, improvements. The opposite has happened, with the exception of JK, and even before the injury he was a far cry from what he was at the beginning of the season and definitely not a cornerstone guy that just demands to hit in the middle or top of the order.

[Juliooooo]

There lines are strikingly similar

Teo .242/.293/.421/.713 16 HRs 131 Ks

Julio .244/.311/.398/.709 14 HRs 114 Ks

I think Julio has had more bad luck with hard hit balls, but he’s definitely not hitting like last year. I think he’ll figure it out though.

And how many games out of the playoff chase will we be then? This is exactly why they needed to not stand pat offensively and believe that adding garbage at DH plus Teo was going to get us over the top. In actuality? Adding Teo was just a moderate improvement if not lateral move from RF last year anyway right? They just banked on striking lightening in a bottle with Cal, JK, France and Geno either not regressing or making, in some cases VAST, improvements. The opposite has happened, with the exception of JK, and even before the injury he was a far cry from what he was at the beginning of the season and definitely not a cornerstone guy that just demands to hit in the middle or top of the order.

We are already out of the playoff race. I think Julio will be better next year though and fine for the future.

I called Wong Frazier 2.0 from the beginning, and Teo was merely a Haniger/Winker Wash. Then they lost Santana with no replacement.

[Michael K.]

We are already out of the playoff race. I think Julio will be better next year though and fine for the future.

I called Wong Frazier 2.0 from the beginning, and Teo was merely a Haniger/Winker Wash. Then they lost Santana with no replacement.

Agree with all of the above!

[D-train]

Whether or not they trade him depends on the return. Top 15-20 prospect, do it. That’s likely where the comp pick would end up. I don’t think him accepting a QO is a bad thing though. I’d be fine with him back next year

How is a below average defensive corner OFer with a .293 OBP and an OPS barely over .700 fine?

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Now, I don't know the know or keep up with all the [weird] stats that you all do, but the sniff test says:

1. We are out of the playoff race.

2. Who knows if Julio will be better next year. Maybe he hit his peak last season and this is what we will get for the next 10 years. Unless he can layoff the outside-low slider, we are in trouble.

3. Wong-Frazier-Haniger-Winker-Teo.....they all suck, and I've said it before----DFA.
3.1. Lets throw Murphy and Pollack in the mix as well----DFA.

[D-train]

Now, I don't know the know or keep up with all the [weird] stats that you all do, but the sniff test says:

1. We are out of the playoff race.

2. Who knows if Julio will be better next year. Maybe he hit his peak last season and this is what we will get for the next 10 years. Unless he can layoff the outside-low slider, we are in trouble.

3. Wong-Frazier-Haniger-Winker-Teo.....they all suck, and I've said it before----DFA.
3.1. Lets throw Murphy and Pollack in the mix as well----DFA.

Wong should have been DFAd months ago
Frazier plays for the Baltimore Orioles
Haniger is still injured and thankfully the Giants problem
Winker is a Brewer and completely sucks ass. Career is over.
Teo should be traded. Has some but not a lot of value. If not offer him a QO which he won't accept and get the comp draft pick
Murphy is the second best hitter on the team right now but might be traded given he is an FA
Pollock should be DFAd once he is of the IL

[Juliooooo]

Whether or not they trade him depends on the return. Top 15-20 prospect, do it. That’s likely where the comp pick would end up. I don’t think him accepting a QO is a bad thing though. I’d be fine with him back next year

How is a below average defensive corner OFer with a .293 OBP and an OPS barely over .700 fine?

Because I think this is a down year, and I don’t trust the team to open the checkbook. He’d be a placeholder for G2 until he’s ready in 2025. So yes, I’d be fine if he surprisingly accepted the QO and was here for 1 more year. I think he’s been better lately, I’ll look at the numbers

[Pharmabro]

The "Locked-on" podcast guys pushed out the idea of Cody Bellinger being the big get.

You would have to give a fairly large package to get him. You would have to out bid the value of slapping the Qualifying offer and either signing him or getting the comp-pick.

.319 .369 .549 .918 145 OPS+ line

I would consider Cody a fairly risky play. He will cost a lot. Even with his status as only being a rental you not only have to convince the Cubs you are both beating their Comp. pick and the chance to maybe have an inside edge to sign, and any other clubs that want to add his services. What is really risky is that Cody has been hurt this year so his 145 OPS+ line is in only 68 games.

The trade calc. says 4.3M is Cody's trade value. Colby Pattnode suggested maybe sellling Hancock as one of the returns to get him

The comp round B is around pick 70 give or take. I would predict that equates to a top 10 to 20 prospect all things being equal.

They also pushed for getting Paul Dejong to take over 2B .237 .304 .424 .728 97 OPS+
Paul should probably cost like something in the M's 20 to 30 range

Seth Brown for a bench bat .196 .278 .391 .669 90 OPS+

and
Paul Blackburn and his 80 ERA+ WTF no
Give me at least an upside rebound bet to get hot for a stretch run like a Mike Leake type So a Jack Flaherty flyer. He has a 98 ERA+ and was once a top 5 CY vote getter.