USA HAS THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE..!

[Moe Gibbs]

The abundance mindset flows out of a deep inner sense of personal worth and security. It is a paradigm that is grounded in the belief that ‘there is more than enough’ for everyone. Alternatively, a scarcity mindset is the belief that there will never be enough, resulting in feelings of fear, stress, and anxiety.

I believe there are some elites that have quite a bit of control over population. Right now, they're probably still pushing for increasing population and increasing military. I feel the same way about the urban overcrowding. There are solutions we could be implementing, but instead we sit in commuter traffic so we can afford aircraft carriers floating everywhere. On that same token, the elites do not care about any issues of crowding, because they own all the open space. They may have 5 vacation homes, helicopters, private jets, etc. There is no issue of scarcity or overcrowding for them. Do you think Donald Trump is worried about immigrants taking his job or his country club membership or his filet mignon? Nope. The only people worried about immigrants are working class Americans, because they've been told by media and politicians that immigrants are "taking all the jobs". It's propaganda Moe. The world is only overcrowded / overpopulated if you're low on cash. Otherwise, it's wide open spaces, luxury, and valet parking. I think there's always going to be aspects of yesteryear we hold dear to our hearts. But, even with all the tyranny and oppression, I still think all the overpopulated humans on Earth were able to create a 2020 that's more fun than 1960 was.

Obesity rate, juvenile and adult diabetes, juvenile never seen before in the history of mankind heart disease, worse personal debt, increasing dependency on pharma drugs, horrible wait times at the ER, autism rates, children wasting their young lives indoors, single parent households, water shortages, lowest ever % home equity , % of the workforce that is taken by 10 million [low est.] Illegal Alien, worsening commute times, the day that ZERO TAX DAY finally arrives during the year, the deforested land that will never return, the all time high competition for everything else ..all more fun than ever before and just a bunch of propaganda to those who wish to pretend that there has never been a better time to be alive....

[Grandma Lynn]

Daniel, the 60's were actually one of
the best times, and the 50's were too.
I was thinking about that yesterday,
as to what was the best years, so far.
There were problems like every year.
But somehow we all make it through.
A person's mindset has a lot to do
with it too.

[DanielVogelbach]

You have to look at it through a lens of youth. It's typical for older folks to long for the simpler times of yesteryear. The classic stereotype is the old person that can't figure out how to work a television remote. All the toys and resources in the world are not "fun" if you're too old to enjoy them. So, let's not get all nostalgic.

In 1950, I wasn't able to run Ableton Live or FL Studio

Tools that would've cost millions in 1950 are now running smoothly on my laptop.

You can look at diabetes and obesity, which you should - great topics to learn more about. They're indeed very much related to modern lifestyles, but they're also completely avoidable with the correct information. The "epidemic" of heart disease is a bit of a lie. The discovery of vaccines and antibiotics combined with increased public sanitation reshaped the medical landscape. Formerly, people would die from pneumonia, tuberculosis, and GI infections. The natural result of longer lifespans was increased rate of coronary disease. This is also what lead to us eating less fat and consuming more refined carbs, which has pushed us to increase insulin production and become more obese.

Most problems today are economic. If you have 10 million bucks or so, the world is more fun than ever. Anything that has degraded in quality over time is a result of economics. You can still get the good stuff if you have the cash. One thing I enjoy is audio equipment. I marvel at the quality of consumer grade components of the past. Now, everyone is listening to music on cheap playback systems, but if you want to hear a symphony in your living room, it can be done at a higher quality than ever before - just also at an astounding price tag.

If you watch a football game broadcast 25 years ago, it's borderline unwatchable. Now, we've got cameras flying around the field, 4k resolution, etc. I can go to grocery stores so decadent they make supermarkets of the past look like dreary nightmares. As a kid, I was playing Atari... Now kids are playing PlayStation 5 against other kids across the world. Did I actually use to live without YouTube? What's gone? Smoking on airplanes? I can still go to secluded mountains, secluded beaches, the wine country, hunting grounds, fishing lakes, the theatre, 5 star restaurants, Maserati dealerships... I can trade stocks from my phone. I can sell items on eBay. I can drive to an airport and fly anywhere in the world. All of these breakthroughs have occurred simply by applying human ingenuity to human life over time.

There's no written rule that life will continue to improve over time. It's possible we can destroy our own way of life. It's possible some outside influence like an alien invasion, plague, or weather event could doom us all. But, boiling everything down to more people equals more problems fails to address the fact that humans are social creatures that work both individually and as teams to achieve great things. There is very little that is good in life that doesn't come from other human beings. And, they say there are only six degrees of separation between all humans on the planet. Populations in the wild have a way of finding equilibrium. I take a mindset of abundance and set forth.

I think there are lots of lessons to be learned from history including aspects of "we should go back to how we were doing it before", but that's all part of living in the moment. So many things have advanced where I would never want to roll them back.

One interesting thing about longing for yesteryear is it's generally just to get back to your childhood. Like, you don't want to go so far back that you have to wipe your ass with a leaf. Of course, psychologically speaking, wherever you are, you're in the present... it would be different to live in the past and KNOW you were in the past. Like sitting there listening to a vinyl record knowing that CDs were about to come and go. Anyways, fun to think about living in different eras, but God doesn't exactly give us that choice. If you don't think that NOW is the greatest time to be alive, it might be worth trying to trick yourself into believing it! If you can't convince yourself that 2020 is the pinnacle of human fun, well maybe you can convince yourself that it's the pinnacle of human importance. What could be more meaningful or relevant than the present moment? Namaste.

[Moe Gibbs]

The examples you give for why living in an modern world is so great would have happened [at least to some degree] if our population had never doubled since 1955. 1 out of every 83 White People have genius level IQs. In 1955 we had about 120 million white people out of 160 million total population]..so that means we had 1,445,783 White geniuses and who knows how many geniuses of other colors to handle our technological needs. More than enough to keep us happy, healthy and making great progress.
You can't provide any examples for why life in an overly populated world is better than what life with 1/2 the amount of people we currently have would be.
You wrongly and foolishly assume that you have led a richer, more fun, more full filling life than the lives of our Ancestors. This illustrates exactly just how disconnected from reality you really are.

[Grandma Lynn]

Okay Daniel, that was a good theory
of life, in general.
I don't long for "the good old days".
Been there, done that. I love all the
new inventions, some I wouldn't know
what to do with myself if I didn't have
them!
I'm just thankful I still have my mind
intact, tho you might disagree!
We still have 78 records, plus CD's,
8 track's, just incase some family
members want to have fun.
Enough, you say, and I agree. I'll
quit.

[DanielVogelbach]

You can't provide any examples for why life in an overly populated world is better than what life with 1/2 the amount of people we currently have would be.
You wrongly and foolishly assume that you have led a richer, more fun, more full filling life than the lives of our Ancestors. This illustrates exactly just how disconnected from reality you really are.

You can't really make that argument, because there's no evidence that we could've arrived at this point in history without every single moment transpiring exactly how it did including the conception of every human life ever conceived. God's plan? And it's not just invention, it's labor. Labor frees up the thinkers. Labor builds. The economy grows. It's all connected, so good, bad, or ugly it's a combo package IMO.... can't have the status quo without the status quo number of people.

I don't see the world with a through a lens of scarcity, I see it through a lens of abundance. It works for me. I may be disconnected from your reality, but I'm lock-step grooving in my reality. Namaste.

[DanielVogelbach]

Okay Daniel, that was a good theory
of life, in general.
I don't long for "the good old days".
Been there, done that. I love all the
new inventions, some I wouldn't know
what to do with myself if I didn't have
them!
I'm just thankful I still have my mind
intact, tho you might disagree!
We still have 78 records, plus CD's,
8 track's, just incase some family
members want to have fun.
Enough, you say, and I agree. I'll
quit.

I'm nostalgic myself. But in terms of available things to see, do, eat, etc... I feel like 2020 has more to offer than times gone by. The world is not perfect, but it never was. In the USA, there's less class mobility than there was in 1950, that's for sure. But, if you have $$$, then you can have whatever you want in 2020. Acreage, food, entertainment, health care, cars, clothes, you name it. Reduce the wealth and income inequality gap, and we'll have far less people like Moe Gibbs complaining about overpopulation. There's no flipping overpopulation. There's rising population. There's urban overcrowding. But, there's plenty of room on Earth. Abundance mindset. Namaste.

[Moe Gibbs]

You can't provide any examples for why life in an overly populated world is better than what life with 1/2 the amount of people we currently have would be.
You wrongly and foolishly assume that you have led a richer, more fun, more full filling life than the lives of our Ancestors. This illustrates exactly just how disconnected from reality you really are.

You can't really make that argument, because there's no evidence that we could've arrived at this point in history without every single moment transpiring exactly how it did including the conception of every human life ever conceived. God's plan? And it's not just invention, it's labor. Labor frees up the thinkers. Labor builds. The economy grows. It's all connected, so good, bad, or ugly it's a combo package IMO.... can't have the status quo without the status quo number of people.

I don't see the world with a through a lens of scarcity, I see it through a lens of abundance. It works for me. I may be disconnected from your reality, but I'm lock-step grooving in my reality. Namaste.

What you don't get is that "arriving at every single point in our recent history" has nothing at all to do with arriving at a better quality of life, or a life that is any more full filling.
The rate of obese, mentally ill, self indulgent, bankrupt, divorced, drug dependent people are at all times highs. Not exactly proof that we are living in the best of times.
160 million was more than enough people, more than enough stress on our resources and thankfully it looks like our population is finally trending downward. The reduced competition for homes within a reasonable distance from our commerce centers will hopefully return to a level so that even Blue Collar workers can easily afford a nice home with some elbow room while Mom stays home to raise her 1 or 2 child family. Eventually the need for apartment housing in the suburbs and rural areas will be so low that some get bull dozed in favor of much more desirable single family homes on acreage. Mental health will improve with the reduced struggle to survive and with the secure feeling of self worth that owning your home lock, stock and barrel provides .

[DanielVogelbach]

What you don't get is that "arriving at every single point in our recent history" has nothing at all to do with arriving at a better quality of life, or a life that is any more full filling.
The rate of obese, mentally ill, self indulgent, bankrupt, divorced, drug dependent people are at all times highs. Not exactly proof that we are living in the best of times.
160 million was more than enough people, more than enough stress on our resources and thankfully it looks like our population is finally trending downward. The reduced competition for homes within a reasonable distance from our commerce centers will hopefully return to a level so that even Blue Collar workers can easily afford a nice home with some elbow room while Mom stays home to raise her 1 or 2 child family. Eventually the need for apartment housing in the suburbs and rural areas will be so low that some get bull dozed in favor of much more desirable single family homes on acreage. Mental health will improve with the reduced struggle to survive and with the secure feeling of self worth that owning your home lock, stock and barrel provides .

I was simply stating that you can't assume we would have anything the same with less population. Who wouldn't have been born? Obama? Trump? Michael Jordan? History only played out given the specific current population.

Quality of life is certainly dependent on factors other than what era of human history you live in. Cash flow will have a lot to do with it. I would certainly like to see more of the abundant bounty make it's way into the hands of the middle class and poor. Today's economy is all about the upper class.

[Moe Gibbs]

Getting back to the thread topic I think it's safe to say that reduced violent crime rate will go hand in hand with less competition for the same limited resources. There once was a time when Mothers and Fathers weren't too worried to allow their kids to walk to and from school or to play outside all day. We can return to that way of life with less population density. Imagine a society where getting to know all of your neighbors is considered normal instead of the exception.
Evidence from animal behavior supports the view that overcrowding increases aberrant behavior and aggression.
It's just common sense.