2022-23 Offseason Transactions and Rumors

[Coeurd’Alene J]

It seems like every year people on the Mariners internet fan sites get outraged about the payroll, but it never translates to any sort of broad-based contempt, or "skewering" of the ownership group. There's one paper and two sports radio stations with declining audiences, one of which is more or less on the Mariners' payroll, though they are at times mildly critical.

Anyway, I just don't see it. I think the Mariners will probably increase their payroll this offseason, but I doubt public perception has anything at all to do with that. So if for some reason they don't increase payroll very much, or at all, it'll be fine.

Yes they are definitely not pressured to perform from a fan standpoint and the last sports guy that called them out geoff is a major douchebag

[Sexymarinersfan]

One of the reasons Seattle drew over 3 million fans in '01 wasn't so much because of pitching and defense. It was because their lineup could score some fucking runs! Bret Boone, John Olerud, Mike Cameron, Mark McLemore, Edgar and more were having excellent years. Fans don't want to watch 0-0 snoozefests(even though I happen to enjoy a great pitcher's duel). The ownership and FO need to realize that their window of contention is open Now, and only for so long. They had better seize it, because they might not live long enough to see the next one when it comes round again.

[Pharmabro]

So, I know it is not much but on MLBTR they had a bit about Flexen trades. One of the options was possible a Cleveland and a fairly pricey trade back for Ahmed Rosario Rosario’s speed plays anywhere He has had 13, 18, q9, and as many as 24 SB in seasons and has had 6-9 triples over the last 4 years. He has had as many as 15 HR but has 11X2 and 9 the last 4 full years. He has been a SS and was worth 4.1 BWAR with a 106 OPS+ last year. I mean He has a career 96 OPS+ and never walks He is a .274///.308///.404 triple slash line and I could see a potential Frazier like drop off. But on the other hand it would be in Ahmed’s contract year and he will be 27 so it is possible to see a career year for him.

There is nothing of substance here but how excited or disappointed would you be with this shirt of a move for a maybe upgrade at 2B?

[Seattle or Bust]

It seems like every year people on the Mariners internet fan sites get outraged about the payroll, but it never translates to any sort of broad-based contempt, or "skewering" of the ownership group. There's one paper and two sports radio stations with declining audiences, one of which is more or less on the Mariners' payroll, though they are at times mildly critical.

Anyway, I just don't see it. I think the Mariners will probably increase their payroll this offseason, but I doubt public perception has anything at all to do with that. So if for some reason they don't increase payroll very much, or at all, it'll be fine.

Context is crucial.

Fans gave the ownership a pass from 2019-2022 because of a proposed and accepted step back and rebuild via the GM to the fan base. 2022 served as the year that raised expectations not only for the players but the front office and fans as well.

In 2015, Houston was next to last in payroll. By 2018 they were 11th at $160 million.

In 2018, San Diego was 25th in payroll. By 2020 they were 10th.

This organization is not the A's, Rays, Pirates or Indians. It spends money when opportunity presents itself.

[harmony]

So, I know it is not much but on MLBTR they had a bit about Flexen trades. One of the options was possible a Cleveland and a fairly pricey trade back for Ahmed Rosario Rosario’s speed plays anywhere He has had 13, 18, q9, and as many as 24 SB in seasons and has had 6-9 triples over the last 4 years. He has had as many as 15 HR but has 11X2 and 9 the last 4 full years. He has been a SS and was worth 4.1 BWAR with a 106 OPS+ last year. I mean He has a career 96 OPS+ and never walks He is a .274///.308///.404 triple slash line and I could see a potential Frazier like drop off. But on the other hand it would be in Ahmed’s contract year and he will be 27 so it is possible to see a career year for him.

There is nothing of substance here but how excited or disappointed would you be with this shirt of a move for a maybe upgrade at 2B?

Amed Rosario and Gleyber Torres provide interesting comps.

Rosario is one year older than Torres and comes with one year of team control to two years for Torres. Rosario and Torres were Top 5 prospects as shortstops back in 2017:

https://www.mlb.com/news/2017-top-100-m ... c301608460

Rosario has posted 9.6 bWAR and an OPS+ of 96 in 697 career games, including a bWAR of 4.1 and an OPS+ of 106 in 153 games this year.

Torres has posted 11.5 bWAR and an OPS+ of 114 in 576 career games, including a bWAR of 4.1 and an OPS+ of 114 in 140 games this year.

Rosario has a projected 2023 arbitration salary of $9 million and Torres a projected arbitration salary of $9.8 million.

Baseball Trade Values assigns surplus trade values of $4.7 million for Rosario and $3 million for Torres.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9320/

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9590/

Baseball Trade Values may well value Rosario as a shortstop and Torres as a second baseman.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/explaining- ... art-three/

[Donn Beach]

Sources? Give me a break lol... Your sources tell you Winker isn't going to be the fourth outfielder? I'll take that bet. I don't know who is hitting leadoff but I'll bet JP is the opening day SS. But what really pisses you off, they don't spend enough money. I'll bet the owners don't have an issue with it.

Yes, sources. The people who journalists contact for insider or expert information. Ever written for a news source before Don? You're expected to have sources. I don't need sources or claim to be an authority. This nimrod does and he gets paid for it.

The owners may not have an issue with it. But they're going to do that. They would get absolutely skewered if they roll into '23 w. a lower payroll than '22.

Winker may very well be the 4th OF heading into '23. But he has not earned the DH role and he's certainly not hitting cleanup.

I have no problem with JP being the shortstop in '23 so long as there's a lot of cash spent filling other holes that balance out his mediocre output. I believe that's how most fans feel and even the front office feels given his potential move to 2B.

Nothing about the article has to do with passing on insider organizational information. That's for reporters, he isn't acting as a reporter

[Donn Beach]

It seems like every year people on the Mariners internet fan sites get outraged about the payroll, but it never translates to any sort of broad-based contempt, or "skewering" of the ownership group. There's one paper and two sports radio stations with declining audiences, one of which is more or less on the Mariners' payroll, though they are at times mildly critical.

Anyway, I just don't see it. I think the Mariners will probably increase their payroll this offseason, but I doubt public perception has anything at all to do with that. So if for some reason they don't increase payroll very much, or at all, it'll be fine.

Context is crucial.

Fans gave the ownership a pass from 2019-2022 because of a proposed and accepted step back and rebuild via the GM to the fan base. 2022 served as the year that raised expectations not only for the players but the front office and fans as well.

In 2015, Houston was next to last in payroll. By 2018 they were 11th at $160 million.

In 2018, San Diego was 25th in payroll. By 2020 they were 10th.

This organization is not the A's, Rays, Pirates or Indians. It spends money when opportunity presents itself.

So maybe they spend more on a second base solution okay. What I found interesting were the corner outfielders. They are both liked here aren't they? If they have spots to play them why not do it?

[harmony]

MLB Trade Rumors has posted its offseason outlook for the Seattle Mariners:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/ ... rs-12.html

[Donn Beach]

On the corner outfield spots, the idea of waiting until the deadline sounds mariner like. Though dipoto is going to have a lot of trade capital and he likes to trade

. There is enough potential in this group that the M’s could just roll the dice and hope at least one player breaks out as a reliable everyday option to slot alongside Rodriguez. As such, Dipoto might wait until closer to the trade deadline to see if any upgrades are necessary to the outfield or DH spot.

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[Sexymarinersfan]

MLB Trade Rumors has posted its offseason outlook for the Seattle Mariners:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/ ... rs-12.html

Fucking finally!! Thanks for posting this.