The slightly too early trade deadline thread

[Seattle or Bust]

Geno turns 32 yo next month and since early April is hitting .177/.593 AND is owed $25M. The very definition of untradeable unless it is a Silva for Milton Bradley shit contract for shit contract type deal.

I'm seeing $11.25 million in '24 w. a club option in '25. Am I missing something?

The 2x prizes of this coming off season would appear to be Ohtani and Chapman.

I wouldn't mind Chapman in an M's uni.

[Big_Maple]

I wouldn't mind Chapman in an M's uni.

Couldn’t agree more. He’s getable if they want to get him.

The problem is Geno is blocking him at 3B. Assuming we can’t offload Geno, can we get creative…something like move Geno to 1B and Ty to 2B. Could this be done?

If so, it kills a lot of birds with one stone. We get a gold glove 3B (likely the best defensive 3B in the game right now), and if his bat stays hot, he’s an offensive upgrade over Geno. We keep Geno who can add to the lineup if he can regain his stroke, and we solve our 2B issues as well.

But can we move guys around the infield like this?

[Seattle or Bust]

I wouldn't mind Chapman in an M's uni.

Couldn’t agree more. He’s getable if they want to get him.

The problem is Geno is blocking him at 3B. Assuming we can’t offload Geno, can we get creative…something like move Geno to 1B and Ty to 2B. Could this be done?

If so, it kills a lot of birds with one stone. We get a gold glove 3B (likely the best defensive 3B in the game right now), and if his bat stays hot, he’s an offensive upgrade over Geno. We keep Geno who can add to the lineup if he can regain his stroke, and we solve our 2B issues as well.

But can we move guys around the infield like this?

If Geno stays this bad for the rest of the year the answer is pretty simple, you trade him for scraps or DFA him.

He's not making that much more money than Kolten Wong, about $2 million more and Wong likely has a week or so before they say bye bye.

[D-train]

You had the trade idea of the off season BM. No doubt about it. Kudos! Wish you were our GM instead of the current Dumb Fs in charge.

Haha! Well, it wasn’t rocket science. The dude won the AL batting championship, and he could play 2B - both of these were needs during the off-season. He would not have been cheap - likely would have taken a Kirby or a Gilbert to get it done. But a 26 year old 2B who can get on base dependably - why would we not have made a run? Instead we replaced Frazier with Kolten. *Sigh*

I think they could have done a Miller and Ford deal but Jerry loves his draft picks.

[D-train]

Geno turns 32 yo next month and since early April is hitting .177/.593 AND is owed $25M. The very definition of untradeable unless it is a Silva for Milton Bradley shit contract for shit contract type deal.

I'm seeing $11.25 million in '24 w. a club option in '25. Am I missing something?

The 2x prizes of this coming off season would appear to be Ohtani and Chapman.

I wouldn't mind Chapman in an M's uni.

I guess I rounded up. About $7M this season + $11M in 2024 + $2M buyout = $20M

[AZOldDawg]

I don't like France at second only because he has very limited range. Wouldn't mind him at DH where he can get and stay healthy.

[Big_Maple]

I don't like France at second only because he has very limited range. Wouldn't mind him at DH where he can get and stay healthy.

Agreed. The dude can hit. Let him focus on hitting.

Sooooo.....if we were stuck with Geno AND we got Chapman through FA, could be move Geno to 1B? We'd have Chapman and Geno at the corners, JP at SS, and then we have the perennial problem of where to get an effective 2B.

Just thinking out loud.

[AZOldDawg]

I'm willing to go with Cabs for now.

[D-train]

I don't like France at second only because he has very limited range. Wouldn't mind him at DH where he can get and stay healthy.

Agreed. The dude can hit. Let him focus on hitting.

Sooooo.....if we were stuck with Geno AND we got Chapman through FA, could be move Geno to 1B? We'd have Chapman and Geno at the corners, JP at SS, and then we have the perennial problem of where to get an effective 2B.

Just thinking out loud.

Geno would has negative WAR now. Imagine what it would be with him at 1B. Have to dump shit players. It is a sunk cost. Costs ZERO dollars to do so and results in a better team leading to more revenues.

[Pharmabro]

re-examining the Marcus S. deal; 7/175M starting his age 31 season
2022 WAR 5.7 OPS+ 107,
vs
2022 adam Frazier 80 OPS+, 0.7 WAR

27 points of OPS+ and 5 WAR difference. And Frazier was 8M that year meaning they could have bought 5 WAR for 17M by making the splash in FA

2023 Gulp
Wong 26 OPS+, -1.1 WAR 10M
vs
Marcus S. 140 OPS+, 3.3 WAR

114 OPS+ points difference and in 60 odd games the WAR difference is near 4 and 1/2 @4.4. That is nearly a 12 win difference for a 2023 cost of an additional 15 M

I don't see anybody that comes out next year that we could match that type of production at 2B or SS.

Tim Anderson has had a strange year where he is hitting about .270 but has next to no walks and no power ISO and Walk rate both under 0.050 like a 72 OPS+.