Mariners fall from mediocrity continues. Marco vs Samson game thread 7/22

[bpj]

Dylan Moore wouldn't set foot on my field.

[ice99]

I'd still like to see if Nola can handle 3B. I wouldn't trade Seager until this offseason or next mid-season. They are supposed to outlaw the shift next year.

Get the thought of trading Seager out of your head. Its not going to happen with the clause in his contract. Nobody is going to trade for him and he isn't blocking anyone. Nola is not going to be the 3B of the future for 2021 and beyond, so I see no value in trying him at 3B.

I'm talking about next year. He could be blocking someone at that time, perhaps a player like Walton. They could start a conversation with him during the season, saying that they could DFA him or alternatively at least try to let him control where he lands by trading him.

[bpj]

Apparently the idea of free agency or a trade for a 3B would be impossible. Beyond Julio's comprehension at the very least.

[Juliooooo]

OK. Lets use your favorite guy, Austin Nola, because he has a good OPS in an extremely small sample size. Assume both he and Seager are on the team. Both are starting. Seager hits a .600 OPS. Nola is hitting .900 OPS. Assume both are equal at 2B defense. Its also a pretty safe assumption that Seager is the better defender at 3B. Do you put Seager at 2B and Nola at 3B because of how they are hitting, or do you put the better defender Seager at 3B and Nola at 2B?

Please don't deflect and answer the question.

[Juliooooo]

Apparently the idea of free agency or a trade for a 3B would be impossible. Beyond Julio's comprehension at the very least.

You want them to sign a 3B in free agency in 2020? I don't see the point. 2021, sure, but don't go out and spend big money right now when they have no chance to compete.

[bpj]

I definitely expect that they will seek to plug the remaining future holes in the roster.

Seager at 2B will be for Seagers sake, to see if he can extend his career. Because he is no longer a valuable 3B. He's replacement level, some team will check to see if he can provide value at 2B.

So, the M's need to find a replacement. It's very simple. They will get a future replacement as soon as they can.

The way I see it, the team has 6 holes to fill by the time they contend and they can't wait until the last minute so at this point, if they expect to start contending with their future team mid-2021, I think they will fill the positions as they can, which doesn't mean being held hostage by Seagers contract any longer if he doesnt start hitting.

[Juliooooo]

I'd still like to see if Nola can handle 3B. I wouldn't trade Seager until this offseason or next mid-season. They are supposed to outlaw the shift next year.

Get the thought of trading Seager out of your head. Its not going to happen with the clause in his contract. Nobody is going to trade for him and he isn't blocking anyone. Nola is not going to be the 3B of the future for 2021 and beyond, so I see no value in trying him at 3B.

I'm talking about next year. He could be blocking someone at that time, perhaps a player like Walton. They could start a conversation with him during the season, saying that they could DFA him or alternatively at least try to let him control where he lands by trading him.

Do you understand how his trade clause works?

[bpj]

OK. Lets use your favorite guy, Austin Nola, because he has a good OPS in an extremely small sample size. Assume both he and Seager are on the team. Both are starting. Seager hits a .600 OPS. Nola is hitting .900 OPS. Assume both are equal at 2B defense. Its also a pretty safe assumption that Seager is the better defender at 3B. Do you put Seager at 2B and Nola at 3B because of how they are hitting, or do you put the better defender Seager at 3B and Nola at 2B?

Please don't deflect and answer the question.

I put Player X at 3B and Seager at 2B if Player X has a future at 3B, because Seager does not. I think we have 10 guys in any given season that could play 2B.

[ice99]

Get the thought of trading Seager out of your head. Its not going to happen with the clause in his contract. Nobody is going to trade for him and he isn't blocking anyone. Nola is not going to be the 3B of the future for 2021 and beyond, so I see no value in trying him at 3B.

I'm talking about next year. He could be blocking someone at that time, perhaps a player like Walton. They could start a conversation with him during the season, saying that they could DFA him or alternatively at least try to let him control where he lands by trading him.

Do you understand how his trade clause works?

It's supposed to change the option to a player option. But they should try to negotiate out of it. If they DFA him (and not trade in the DFA), it doesn't count as a trade.

[Juliooooo]

OK. Lets use your favorite guy, Austin Nola, because he has a good OPS in an extremely small sample size. Assume both he and Seager are on the team. Both are starting. Seager hits a .600 OPS. Nola is hitting .900 OPS. Assume both are equal at 2B defense. Its also a pretty safe assumption that Seager is the better defender at 3B. Do you put Seager at 2B and Nola at 3B because of how they are hitting, or do you put the better defender Seager at 3B and Nola at 2B?

Please don't deflect and answer the question.

I put Player X at 3B and Seager at 2B if Player X has a future at 3B, because Seager does not.

And thats fine if they get someone to play 3B. I'm of the assumption that A. They don't have that player in their system that will be with the Mariners in 2020 and B. they will not spend big money in the offseason on anyone, especially at 3B. If they can swing a trade that lands a stud 3B prospect, then I'm all for moving Seager to wherever.

I don't want to move Seager for his sake. He doesn't have a future at either position the way he has been hitting. I see more guys that could be potential 2B of the future (Walton, Lopes, Long, Mariscal) so I'd rather them play there and keep Seager at 3B where at least he plays good D.