Taking Nominees for M’s Anti-Hall of Fame!!

[Marinerjim11]

I can buddy, Woody dealt both Varitek and Lowe for Slocumb when the Boston GM only wanted one of them, or how about saying all year long that he wouldn't deal Jose Cruz Jr for anyone and then turn around and deal him for Mike Timlin and Paul Spoljaric on the same day!!! I get that he was trying to improve the team but my god two of the worse deals in club history. Another example of his bad thought processes and thankfully it didn't go through he almost dealt RJ to the Bluejays in 1993 for Steve Karsay, Timlin, and one other guy I cant remember and when Gillick tried to get hold of to confirm the deal and Woody was on a golf course and it was before cell phones were around. Gillick used Karsay as a package to acquire Rickey Henderson.

Now my Nominee I will say its Steve Trout an 8-10 record with a 7.40 era 86.1 innings, 129 hits!!!, 48 BB and only 31 strikeouts!! Holy hell he was awful in Seattle!

Wow. We once had a Trout!?

A Carp too!

Right now we have Bass

[D-train]

And a Goldyfish for an announcer....

[Hy Feiber]

And a Goldyfish for an announcer....

Now you’re on a fishing expedition!

[number11]

I immediately thought of Pete O'fer-Brien, but I looked up his stats for the M's & he would be a solid contributor by today's standards.

[Marinerjim11]

I immediately thought of Pete O'fer-Brien, but I looked up his stats for the M's & he would be a solid contributor by today's standards.

I always thought people never gave him a chance, was he an allstar with the M's no but he was solid and a good defensive 1st baseman. I think because he wasn't good his 1st year people bashed him.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... pe03.shtml

[Marinerjim11]

Jeff Shaeffer.

1992 .114/.139/.186/.325

That's right a .325 OPS. Edgar led baseball with a .343 BA 18 points higher than Jeff's freakin OPS



https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... je01.shtml

But I loved Schaffer he had the balls to throw Milwaukee Brewer manager Tom Trebelhorn.

[Captain 97]

Bonds actually hit .262 in 99 and .370 in 02, over a 100 point jump.

but over his career he had seasons where he hit like that, he hit .336 in 1993, Brett never hit better than .267 in his career until he suddenly jumped to .330

Bonds had a career batting average of .288 through age 34. In the next 5 years after that when he should have been physically declining he hit .339. PED's are not just about power. Increased bat speed allows you a fraction of a second longer to see the pitch and still be able to get the bat to it.

[Donn Beach]

Arod's average went down during his PED seasons...You could get some advantage in terms of batting average but It would be pretty incremental i would think, an 80 point jump in a season seems pretty remarkable

a physiologist discussing it in Scientific American

Why didn’t Rodriguez’s batting average improve during the years he took steroids?

There’s limited research indicating that he could actually enhance his batting average with steroids. A batting average is more indicative of performance ability such as hand-eye coordination. However, research with frogs has shown that anabolic steroids can enhance androgen receptors on nerve endings, so there’s some potential for increased reactions. Hitting in baseball is all about reaction time, whether it’s a curveball or a fastball.

The key benefit with anabolic steroids is that they can help you be consistent over an entire baseball season. That’s the reason you’re seeing those higher statistics for Rodriguez from 2001 to 2003. If you take a look at good power hitters in April and May (early in the baseball season that runs from April to September, excluding the playoffs), their numbers are going to be pretty good. But these guys aren’t able to maintain that in August and September. Take the New York Mets: If that team was on anabolic steroids the way they were in 2000, they probably would have made the playoffs the past two years instead of running out of gas late in the season. It makes a big difference when having that little extra.

Now a guy like A-Rod – he trains really hard. With the steroids, he is maximizing his potential. Would he be a great player without them? Without a doubt. Would he be as consistent? The answer to that is probably no.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... r-athlete/

[Captain 97]

Running a fangraphs chart for qualified players here are the bottom 3 for career numbers in several categories.

Avg.
Mike Zunino .207
Miguel Olivo .210
Brendan Ryan .215

OBP.
Miguel Olivo .239
Bob Kearney .265
Mike Zunino .276

Slg.
Chone Figgins .283
Brendan Ryan .294
Omar Vizquel .303

OPS
Brendan Ryan .580
Chone Figgens .585
Larry Milbourne .607

wRC+
Larry milbourne 62
Bob Kearney 64
Miguel Olivo 64

K%
Mike Zunino 34.2
Miguel Olivo 28.4
Michael Saunders 25.5

WAR
John Moses -4.0
Miguel Olivo -4.0
Larry Milbourne -2.1

ERA
Bob Wells 5.59 (330.1 innings)
Byron McLaughlin 5.10 (322.2 innings)
John Montague 4.97 (342.1 innings)

FIP
Bob Wells 5.37
Miguel Batista 5.06
(Tie)Ryan Franklin & Erasmo Ramirez 4.97

WHIP
Miguel Batista 1.65
Mike Parrott 1.56
Byron McLauglin 1.52

K/9
Glenn Abbott 3.41
Bill Swift 3.68
Rick Honeycutt 3.68

BB/9
Miguel Batista 4.82
Jeff Nelson 4.67
Bryan Clark 4.60

HR/9
Erasmo ramirez 1.63
Bob Wells 1.61
Ryan Franklin 1.38

WAR
Bob Wells -.1
Erasmo Ramirez .5
Julio Mateo .7

[Captain 97]

And For individual seasons by a qualified player....
(Apparently Mike Zunino never stayed in the Majors long enough to qualify)

Avg
Gorman Thomas 1985 .215
Justin Smoak 2012 .217
Alvin Davis 1991 .221

OBP
Todd Cruz 1982 .246
Miguel Olivo 2011 .253
Jose Lopez 2010 .270

Slg
Julio Cruz 1978 .269
Omar Vizquel 1993 .298
Brian hunter 1999 .300

OPS
Brian Hunter 1999 .576
Julio Cruz 1978 .588
Jose Lopez 2010 .609

wRC+
Brian hunter 1999 49
Todd Cruz 1982 63
Manny Castillo 1982 65

K%
Russell Branyan 2009 29.5%
Miguel Olivo 2011 27.6%
Mike Cameron 2002 27.5%

WAR
Miguel Olivo 2011 -2.0
Brian hunter 1999 -1.8
Alvin Davis 1991 -1.6

ERA
Dave Fleming 1994 6.46
Joel Pineiro 2006 6.36
Joel pineiro 2005 5.62

FIP
Jamie Moyer 2004 5.74
Dave Flemming 1994 5.60
Rich DeLucia 1991 5.34

WHIP
Dave Flemming 1994 1.85
Joel Pineiro 2006 1.65
Chris Bosio 1995 1.65

K/9
Glenn Abbott 1981 2.42
Bill Swift 1988 2.42
Jim Beattie 1980 3.22

BB/9
Randy Johnson 1991 6.79
Randy Johnson 1992 6.16
Dave Flemming 1994 5.00

HR/9
Jaime Moyer 2004 1.96
Rich DeLucia 1991 1.53
Bob Stoddard 1983 1.49

WAR
Rich DeLucia 1993 -.3
Jaime Moyer 2004 -.2
Chris young 2014 -.1