Arizona vs. Lambs Bad Mojo Hate LA Game Thread

[auroraave]

I would rather they cut loose the overpaid trash (No-good Fant and Drainmont Jones) and cut/re-structure Lockett and use that money to upgrade the o line. I'd like to see what Geno (and the RBs) can do with an average or better line before cutting him loose or letting him walk.

I'm betting we have Geno again next season without much of an upgrade to the oline. The line could be better but not because of a change in approach by JS. The money is going to continue to flow to the defense.

Unless he's just hopelessly stubborn i think this season has been a wake-up call for Snider that scrap-heap FAs and project draft picks aren't going to cut it and that he is wasting the talents of his skill position players.
I hope anyway.

Please show me a team that is loaded at oline, QB, WR/RB, dline, LB, secondary and special teams. Go head, I'll wait. The problem with your position is you identify ANY weakness on the team and go Vesuvius on Schneider - he is the cause of all the problems on the team, right? Fire everyone! This shit is exhausting. Didn't he bring in Big Cat? How's that secondary looking? How about that LB he traded for? Every single team has a weakness - every team had projects and FA - it's called living under the reality salary cap. There are no "yankees' in the NFL buying up championships.

This utterly preposterous handwringing that Seattle doesn't somehow have Canton-inductees at every position group every season - c'mon man. This is reality. Maybe if Seattle SUCKED year in and year out they could load up on top end talent in the draft, but instead you get a team challenging for a playoff position up to the bitter end. And you know what? I know this will be a shocker - but sometimes draft picks don't pan out - and an even bigger shocker - it happens to all 32 teams - every single year, every single draft.

Choose one:

1. 12 years of above an average team with a potential playoff birth where 'anything can happen"
2. 5 years of dumpster fire 'hoping' all top draft picks pan out.

This is where you pick "2" and I point out that if that was the case the meltdowns on here every single Sunday during the 5 years of misery would be INTOLERABLE - and hilariously predictable. NO matter what they do, they 'shoulda done something else." And yes, that is absolutely true sometimes - you roll the dice, you take your chances. Period. Olines across the league generally suck because no one gets trained properly in college - exact same problem with the QB position - all superior athletes, all with declining skills.

Seattle is one of the few teams that has been competitive for a dozen years straight - yeah we all want a title but that shit is fleeting. Seattle is one of the few teams whose games matter in December. None do in NY, cincinnati, Jacksonville, Carolina, and the list goes on.

Seattle has a defense that is trending up - big time - in particular because of the moves JS has made. Who has a better dline?
I am SO tired of this fucking scapegoating Schneider for everything while ignoring the fact there have probably been far more WINS because of him than losses. We all want better, but there needs to be a minimum of expectation management.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I was talking about his approach to o line building. I have stated many times here that o line is more important than "skill" positions because it creates the environment in which they can succeed. More time for the QB to scan the field, more lanes for RBs and less penetration by defenders.

1. 12 years of above an average team with a potential playoff birth where 'anything can happen"

Sorry, but this ain't baseball ya jack-knob. Barely above average doesn't cut it. It's better to suck some years and be good others.

[DavidGee24]

Caleb Williams?

Yes, 19 TD and 6 INT on that terrible team? Put him under center for the Hawks and our offense is probably better.

Question: why don't you use the quote feature?

[Michael K.]

You're going to get a franchise QB with the 18th pick in the draft?

I know there aren’t many projections yet, but where is Cam Ward supposed to go? I’m not sure he’s not better than Caleb Williams. I mean, had he played at USC when Williams did, how would he have looked? Seems very one was real high on him until Miami hit a bit of a speed bump?

All I hear is that this is a down year for QB, so that is scary. But there are some guys that can be better than Geno in the tight system, right? Sure, not next year…but does it matter if we go 7 and 10 instead of 9 and 8?

I do not want a QB that would take herself out of the game in the second half of a bowl game in his last year of college.

He played 2 quarters, which is more than a shit ton of other future NFL picks. If we decided we couldn't draft guys that chose not to play in meaningless bowl games? We are gonna greatly limited our options.

[trharder]

I know there aren’t many projections yet, but where is Cam Ward supposed to go? I’m not sure he’s not better than Caleb Williams. I mean, had he played at USC when Williams did, how would he have looked? Seems very one was real high on him until Miami hit a bit of a speed bump?

All I hear is that this is a down year for QB, so that is scary. But there are some guys that can be better than Geno in the tight system, right? Sure, not next year…but does it matter if we go 7 and 10 instead of 9 and 8?

I do not want a QB that would take herself out of the game in the second half of a bowl game in his last year of college.

He played 2 quarters, which is more than a shit ton of other future NFL picks. If we decided we couldn't draft guys that chose not to play in meaningless bowl games? We are gonna greatly limited our options.

I doubt it.

[trharder]

Please show me a team that is loaded at oline, QB, WR/RB, dline, LB, secondary and special teams. Go head, I'll wait. The problem with your position is you identify ANY weakness on the team and go Vesuvius on Schneider - he is the cause of all the problems on the team, right? Fire everyone! This shit is exhausting. Didn't he bring in Big Cat? How's that secondary looking? How about that LB he traded for? Every single team has a weakness - every team had projects and FA - it's called living under the reality salary cap. There are no "yankees' in the NFL buying up championships.

This utterly preposterous handwringing that Seattle doesn't somehow have Canton-inductees at every position group every season - c'mon man. This is reality. Maybe if Seattle SUCKED year in and year out they could load up on top end talent in the draft, but instead you get a team challenging for a playoff position up to the bitter end. And you know what? I know this will be a shocker - but sometimes draft picks don't pan out - and an even bigger shocker - it happens to all 32 teams - every single year, every single draft.

Choose one:

1. 12 years of above an average team with a potential playoff birth where 'anything can happen"
2. 5 years of dumpster fire 'hoping' all top draft picks pan out.

This is where you pick "2" and I point out that if that was the case the meltdowns on here every single Sunday during the 5 years of misery would be INTOLERABLE - and hilariously predictable. NO matter what they do, they 'shoulda done something else." And yes, that is absolutely true sometimes - you roll the dice, you take your chances. Period. Olines across the league generally suck because no one gets trained properly in college - exact same problem with the QB position - all superior athletes, all with declining skills.

Seattle is one of the few teams that has been competitive for a dozen years straight - yeah we all want a title but that shit is fleeting. Seattle is one of the few teams whose games matter in December. None do in NY, cincinnati, Jacksonville, Carolina, and the list goes on.

Seattle has a defense that is trending up - big time - in particular because of the moves JS has made. Who has a better dline?
I am SO tired of this fucking scapegoating Schneider for everything while ignoring the fact there have probably been far more WINS because of him than losses. We all want better, but there needs to be a minimum of expectation management.

wow. that's a lot of hyperventilating and straw man stabbing.

[Michael K.]

I do not want a QB that would take herself out of the game in the second half of a bowl game in his last year of college.

He played 2 quarters, which is more than a shit ton of other future NFL picks. If we decided we couldn't draft guys that chose not to play in meaningless bowl games? We are gonna greatly limited our options.

I doubt it.

You doubt what? You know Christian McCaffey sat out his team's bowl game right? I love that you think he should be more concerned about a Bowl game, playing at the school he's spent about 4 months of his entire life at, than he is his own future.

This is college football know, but sitting out a Bowl game that has no bearing on anything? Far from something new. I doubt there are NFL execs freaking out that a QB that knows he is risking millions by playing a game that doesn't matter? Only played two quarters of a game that doesn't matter.

[trharder]

I doubt it.

You doubt what? You know Christian McCaffey sat out his team's bowl game right? I love that you think he should be more concerned about a Bowl game, playing at the school he's spent about 4 months of his entire life at, than he is his own future.

This is college football know, but sitting out a Bowl game that has no bearing on anything? Far from something new. I doubt there are NFL execs freaking out that a QB that knows he is risking millions by playing a game that doesn't matter? Only played two quarters of a game that doesn't matter.

I'm not going to bother to see what probable high draft picks played in their bowl and which ones didn't, but a
bowl is theoretically never meaningless. otherwise, they wouldn't even have bowls or ever discuss being "bowl
eligible". Ward left WSU to make a splash at a bigger school and presumably more NIL money. Then he repays Miami
by only playing one half. Low character move x2.

[Michael K.]

Then again, you would have written off many guys that had long productive NFL careers. They are making a business decision...the business is the NFL. Why would the NFL punish them for that?

It cracks me up when fans think kids should risk it all for meaningless bowl game because the fans think it's important.
What would you tell your son? "I know this game doesn't matter son, but Miami has been your home for about 150 days, you owe those fans". I know I wouldn't. Also, not sure I buy this, but word is Ward said he was doing it so the backup could get some exposure.

Even if he didnt, you are correct, he left for Miami for a bag of money, and you think he should risk a bigger bag of money in what is, I am sorry, a meaningless bowl game? Why? And, why should an NFL team care? Do you really think putting his future over the value of a nothing bowl game means he won't be a good Pro?

As a fan? I hate it, but I'm certainly not going to pretend I should get to make financial decisions for these kids. Maybe Miami should have written that into his NIL? The system is broken, but until they treat NIL like a contract? These kids will continue to make business decisions.

[trharder]

Then again, you would have written off many guys that had long productive NFL careers. They are making a business decision...the business is the NFL. Why would the NFL punish them for that?

It cracks me up when fans think kids should risk it all for meaningless bowl game because the fans think it's important.
What would you tell your son? "I know this game doesn't matter son, but Miami has been your home for about 150 days, you owe those fans". I know I wouldn't. Also, not sure I buy this, but word is Ward said he was doing it so the backup could get some exposure.

Even if he didnt, you are correct, he left for Miami for a bag of money, and you think he should risk a bigger bag of money in what is, I am sorry, a meaningless bowl game? Why? And, why should an NFL team care? Do you really think putting his future over the value of a nothing bowl game means he won't be a good Pro?

As a fan? I hate it, but I'm certainly not going to pretend I should get to make financial decisions for these kids. Maybe Miami should have written that into his NIL? The system is broken, but until they treat NIL like a contract? These kids will continue to make business decisions.

It cracks me up when you write longer and longer posts when you can't convince someone.