How many games has Servais cost the Mariners?

[D-train]

btw Bob has had success with the A's but still has only a .507 winning %. Even Lou has just a .517 winning %.

[Donn Beach]

this is kind of interesting, at least to me, baseball seems to go against the grain in terms of the tallness factor when it comes to hiring managers, they tend to be short and are getting even shorter. That appeals to me, I have an immediate bias against some guy in a leadership position that is tall...

Tall people feel more confident; others feel more confident in them; and those two factors boost both subjective performance (how they are viewed to be doing their jobs, regardless of the truth) and objective performance (especially in jobs like sales or management, where leadership and confidence are probably advantageous). It's all a self-reinforcing system: "People tend to take on the attributes that society ascribes to them," Judge and Cable wrote. A 6-foot male, their research suggested, "would be predicted to earn almost $166,000 more across a 30-year career than an individual who is 65 inches tall."

Drawing this back to baseball: Teams are apparently not falling for this bias, which is surprising and impressive. Sports are often described as a pure meritocracy -- with precise measurements and clear, unambiguous incentives -- so it's pretty hard to scam your way into the majors. But sports managing is the opposite. The skills required are squishy; the evaluation is subjective; a huge part of the job is interpersonal, or public relations; and it would make sense that teams (and the public) would unwittingly favor the taller candidates, as most of the world apparently does.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=1894784

[Donn Beach]

btw Bob has had success with the A's but still has only a .507 winning %. Even Lou has just a .517 winning %.

sure, a fair amount of that winning percentage is out of his control

[D-train]

btw Bob has had success with the A's but still has only a .507 winning %. Even Lou has just a .517 winning %.

sure, a fair amount of that winning percentage is out of his control

My point was that some here view him as the greatest manager of all time or close to it. He was 12 under with us and 3 under with the D Backs.

[Moe Gibbs]

btw Bob has had success with the A's but still has only a .507 winning %. Even Lou has just a .517 winning %.

sure, a fair amount of that winning percentage is out of his control

My point was that some here view him as the greatest manager of all time or close to it. He was 12 under with us and 3 under with the D Backs.

Joe Torre was below 500 to show for his time as a Braves manager.

[D-train]

sure, a fair amount of that winning percentage is out of his control

My point was that some here view him as the greatest manager of all time or close to it. He was 12 under with us and 3 under with the D Backs.

Joe Torre was below 500 to show for his time as a Braves manager.

Seems guys are more successful in their second or third jobs. Maybe JD should have thought of that as opposed to going with a guy that had never managed a baseball game in his life at any level.

[IStillLoveTheMs]

btw Bob has had success with the A's but still has only a .507 winning %. Even Lou has just a .517 winning %.

sure, a fair amount of that winning percentage is out of his control

My point was that some here view him as the greatest manager of all time or close to it. He was 12 under with us and 3 under with the D Backs.

Eh... I continue to believe the M's were too quick to axe Melvin. The M's won 97 games in his first year and failed to make the playoffs due to only having 1 WC spot. Imagine winning 97 games and not making the playoffs.

IMO... the 2004 M's were doomed to fail. It really was the first year that defined the M's organization 15 straight years of shitty ball clubs. 2004 really started the trend of signing dumpster dive, over-the-hill veterans to disguise the lack of talent in our terrible farm system... examples: Spezio and Aurillia who put up .634 and .641 OPS's respectively.

This team really was just a bunch of aging veterans who fell off a cliff. In fact, the average age of position players who played over 70 games for the M's that season was 33 years old... that's not good.

Brett Boone seemed to be coming off his steroid high and hit for a .740 OPS... 160+ points off his OPS from '03... he retired one season later with a .639 OPS in '05. Dan Wilson had a .615 OPS and retired one year later after only playing 11 games with a .399 OPS in '05. John Olerud only hit for a .714 OPS in 2004 following seasons of .873 in '01, .893 in '02, and .761 in '03... he retired in '05 after one season with the Red Sox. This last one pains me... but it's the ultimate sign of what this team was: Edgar Martinez was 41 years old playing DH for the M's in '04... he hit for a .727 OPS after seasons of .966 OPS in '01, .888 in '02 and .895 in '03... this followed 6 consecutive seasons where he had an OPS over 1.000 (well one he .993 so we'll cut him some slack)... he retired after the '04 season.

No manager can win with a team who just blatantly lost production because 4-6 regular position players were too old to produce any further.

The 2019 M's club is on pace to win around the same amount of games as the 2004 team despite being on pace to double the amount of HR's the '04 team put up... and score 110 more runs.

[Moe Gibbs]

Seems guys are more successful in their second or third jobs. Maybe JD should have thought of that as opposed to going with a guy that had never managed a baseball game in his life at any level.

I think the Braves team Torre had was destined to play sub 500 no matter what..but yeah I believe that some young managers learn from their mistakes and improve with age.
Lasorda compared managing to holding a dove in your hand. Too tight..you kill it..too lose it gets away from you.
As you can see I really like TommyfuckinLasorda..wish we could have him on our bench.

[IStillLoveTheMs]

Seems guys are more successful in their second or third jobs. Maybe JD should have thought of that as opposed to going with a guy that had never managed a baseball game in his life at any level.

I think the Braves team Torre had was destined to play sub 500 no matter what..but yeah I believe that some young managers learn from their mistakes and improve with age.
Lasorda compared managing to holding a dove in your hand. Too tight..you kill it..too lose it gets away from you.
As you can see I really like TommyfuckinLasorda..wish we could have him on our bench.

If Scott Servais turns into Joe Torre... I'll leave the US and become a monk.

[D-train]

Seems guys are more successful in their second or third jobs. Maybe JD should have thought of that as opposed to going with a guy that had never managed a baseball game in his life at any level.

I think the Braves team Torre had was destined to play sub 500 no matter what..but yeah I believe that some young managers learn from their mistakes and improve with age.
Lasorda compared managing to holding a dove in your hand. Too tight..you kill it..too lose it gets away from you.
As you can see I really like TommyfuckinLasorda..wish we could have him on our bench.

If Scott Servais turns into Joe Torre... I'll leave the US and become a monk.

Guessing the average monk is happier than the average M's fan.