Mariners fall from mediocrity continues. Marco vs Samson game thread 7/22

[Juliooooo]

There's a big enough gap expected from a 2B and 3B offensively that I believe it's worth it not to clog up the more important offensive position, yes.

Nor will I assume Seager wouldn't be a good 2B, especially given his trim figure.

Gordon is a known quantity with no upside left. Like watching Chone Figgins or Jarrod Dyson in decline.

As you have said, this isn't about Gordon. I've never advocated keeping Gordon long term, I've only used him as an example, using your favorite stat, to show the value you could expect Seager to bring to 2B offensively, and it's not good.

The opportunity cost is about who he is blocking. Right now there are 2 guys in Tacoma who could profile at 2B, Long and Lopes. There is nobody in Tacoma or Arkansas that profiles as an MLB 3B. Mariners should not sign a free agent in 2020 to play there either, there is no point. 2021 this conversation may change, but at that point Seager will be bench fodder most likely (or hopefully dfa'd) if he doesn't figure out his bat.

[bpj]

The chances of benching Seager or even turning him into utility player is much less likely than him moving to 2B.

They will make the attempt at some point. But full time 2B comes before utility or bench in Seagers case, because of the contract.

And you're talking two years out like there won't be better 3B available, ridiculous. That's the point. It will be very easy to replace Seager at 3B, so if they want to redeem value, the move to 2B is a necessity.

It won't be long.

Last year I got told Healy will never play 3B, then later that night he was playing 3B. Seager will move to 2B at some point.

[Juliooooo]

The chances of benching Seager or even turning him into utility player is much less likely than him moving to 2B.

They will make the attempt at some point. But full time 2B comes before utility or bench in Seagers case, because of the contract.

Only when they get a replacement at 3B, and if they don't already have someone already at 2B. That isn't anywhere in sight, and if/when Gordon is moved, and Long is healthy, long will get the chance at 2B.

[bpj]

They already have better options at both.

2B is the position he can hurt us the least until they move on from Seager.

[Juliooooo]

They already have better options at both.

2B is the position he can hurt us the least until they move on from Seager.

True. I guess we should move Santana to 3B since he hits will enough to profile there and defense doesn't matter.

[bpj]

They already have better options at both.

2B is the position he can hurt us the least until they move on from Seager.

True. I guess we should move Santana to 3B since he hits will enough to profile there and defense doesn't matter.

He's right where he should be in the progression. BUT, as you know, when he gets to the point he can't handle RF, they will likely give 1B a shot.

Especially if he used to be a 1B.

[Juliooooo]

They already have better options at both.

2B is the position he can hurt us the least until they move on from Seager.

True. I guess we should move Santana to 3B since he hits will enough to profile there and defense doesn't matter.

He's right where he should be in the progression. BUT, as you know, when he gets to the point he can't handle RF, they will likely give 1B a shot.

Especially if he used to be a 1B.

What do you mean can't handle RF, why wouldn't he be able to handle RF? It's not like defense matters.

[bpj]

Do you want me to act like being a good defender is equal to being a good bat? It's nowhere near.

Even being the worst defender in baseball Santana has, what, an error for every ten games and has to make a play or two every game, very few of those are even difficult plays.

He steps to the batter's box 4 times per game. When that becomes a negative thing, I don't care how good your D is. Time to go.

[bpj]

Austin Nola playing 2B tonight, but Kyle Seager, no, he couldnt do it.

That's stuff they reserve for backup catchers.

[Juliooooo]

Do you want me to act like being a good defender is equal to being a good bat? It's nowhere near.

Even being the worst defender in baseball Santana has, what, an error for every ten games and has to make a play or two every game, very few of those are even difficult plays.

He steps to the batter's box 4 times per game. When that becomes a negative thing, I don't care how good your D is. Time to go.

But you act like there is no value at all in defense, and that it makes no difference in the outcome of the game. It does. Go look at a few nights ago. A simple pop up wasn't caught, and that lead to a 4 run inning. And to act like Errors are the only thing that measure defense is even more of a joke.