Probably will get this me killed

[Sibelius Hindemith]

something odd about that list, it has Ohtani as the 6th fastest DH, but he is considered basically as fast as Mike Trout

https://tv5.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/240 ... game-speed

I'm trying to think of how the BsR stat might fall short as a measure of a player's speed alone. Something about how Vogelbach hits the ball leads to him getting a very high extra-base hit %, and perhaps infielders play deeper than normal so that when they field his ground balls they have less time to turn a DP. I don't know why those things would be the case though. Perhaps he also is more conservative about stealing bases.

BsR (Base Running Runs Above Average): Number of runs above or below average a player has been worth on the bases, based on stolen bases, caught stealing, extra bases taken, outs on the bases, and avoiding double plays. It is the combination of wSB, UBR, and wGDP.

https://library.fangraphs.com/offense/o ... tics-list/

[Hanjag]

I am not concerned about the vs LHP. He has shown signs of getting better and many LH hitters take a season or two to see enough Loogy types with advanced stats and game plans before they adjust.

As for untouchable. No, but I would require a high value in return. Same with Haniger, Marco, etc.

His defense looks acceptable at 1B. In fact, DT looked them up as + earlier. I am too lazy to look them up.

His baserunning speed is much better than one would think.

[D-train]

that is a selling point?

Should be a selling point to people that ignorantly assume he is slow. He is also has a better base running metric, than Seager, Omar, Moore, Healy and Beckham. He isn't fast be he isn't slow either. His OPS vs. lefties is now up to a reasonable .667 in his first full season. It was be absurd to trade the best hitter on the team with 5 more years of control.

btw he second on the team in WAR and 1st among position players. On pace for a 3.5 WAR season. Remember when you thought he had no chance to be a regular?

[Marinerjim11]

I even questioned him to be honest DT. I am really glad he proved me wrong.

[D-train]

I just looked up ft per second and Trout is at 29.3 and Pujols is at 22.7 so basically in a race to first base Trout would beat him by 23 feet. lol

[Double Mocha Man]

Pitiful. Once again a 6.00 something ERA guy against the M's is Cy Young quality. Will it ever end? Sorry if my disappointment is showing through...

[Double Mocha Man]

Really??? 13 hits to none???

[Donn Beach]

that is a selling point?

Should be a selling point to people that ignorantly assume he is slow. He is also has a better base running metric, than Seager, Omar, Moore, Healy and Beckham. He isn't fast be he isn't slow either. His OPS vs. lefties is now up to a reasonable .667 in his first full season. It was be absurd to trade the best hitter on the team with 5 more years of control.

btw he second on the team in WAR and 1st among position players. On pace for a 3.5 WAR season. Remember when you thought he had no chance to be a regular?

Its not a question of if he is a fast or slow DH, its being a DH in the first place, are you going to use him as a late game base running replacement? If he ends up being platooned it really limits his roster value since he isn't going to be used for a defensive or base running replacement. He would be a part time DH, and teams these days are getting away from using a player as a DH only in the first place.

When did i think he had no chance to be a regular?

[bpj]

that is a selling point?

Should be a selling point to people that ignorantly assume he is slow. He is also has a better base running metric, than Seager, Omar, Moore, Healy and Beckham. He isn't fast be he isn't slow either. His OPS vs. lefties is now up to a reasonable .667 in his first full season. It was be absurd to trade the best hitter on the team with 5 more years of control.

btw he second on the team in WAR and 1st among position players. On pace for a 3.5 WAR season. Remember when you thought he had no chance to be a regular?

Vogelbach isn't untouchable, but neither is he slow or bad at hitting left handers. He's a rookie that made the All Star team and has a .873 OPS- including those lefties.

Platooning on purpose is stupid and is a disadvantage in the middle innings when they can just bring a lefty in to face your lefty while it's still too early in the game to pinch hit or risk putting yourself short on the bench late in the game. Wade Miley getting replaced in the 5th by a righty situations when theyve left Vogelbach rotting on the bench.

That's why platoons by design will always fail. The middle innings.

Get good players, like those that put up cumulative .873 OPS's and worry about the dunces that can't hit. Being fast is the last thing on the totem pole of importance, just below defense.

[Hanjag]

that is a selling point?

Should be a selling point to people that ignorantly assume he is slow. He is also has a better base running metric, than Seager, Omar, Moore, Healy and Beckham. He isn't fast be he isn't slow either. His OPS vs. lefties is now up to a reasonable .667 in his first full season. It was be absurd to trade the best hitter on the team with 5 more years of control.

btw he second on the team in WAR and 1st among position players. On pace for a 3.5 WAR season. Remember when you thought he had no chance to be a regular?

Its not a question of if he is a fast or slow DH, its being a DH in the first place, are you going to use him as a late game base running replacement? If he ends up being platooned it really limits his roster value since he isn't going to be used for a defensive or base running replacement. He would be a part time DH, and teams these days are getting away from using a player as a DH only in the first place.

When did i think he had no chance to be a regular?

I do not understand why you have him as a DH only. He has shown the ability to play 1B as well. You do not need to platoon him at all. He started out really bad against LHP but has been better and so no need to limit him. BTW the early platoon thing was more of a way to get ABS for EE, Bruce, Santana, Haniger, Mallex and VBach from 3 OF and DH-1B so 6 to make 5.