Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

[Pharmabro]

So hopelessly vague as to be noncommittally irrelevant...


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What does "expressed formal interest" mean. Did they ask him if anyone was taking him to prom? Tell them they like the cut of his jib? Swipe right on his Tinder profile?

Either way, I suppose this is encouraging news.

I'm not sure why Nimmo would sign for a team where a positional change would diminish his value.

The M's are not moving Julio from CF and Nimmo is most valuable as a CF.

He's also a Boras client... Boras would never let him sign with a team that intends to play him in a corner OF spot. He said it himself, "many teams in this league are in need of a centerfielder... maybe they'll go 'finding Nimmo.'" or some shit.

I am not really sure I agree with you Nimmo is negotiating this deal on his present value but just like these SS where especially guys like Seager, CC, and other big SS that get acknowledged they are today's SS but sometime in the contract they will probably shift to 2B, 3B, DH more etc. CF is a range position over the last 3 years Nimmo has stolen 9 and got 8 outs while doing so. His max in a season was several years ago when he got 9. Conforto also played a few games in CF

[Seattle or Bust]

I'm not sure why Nimmo would sign for a team where a positional change would diminish his value.

The M's are not moving Julio from CF and Nimmo is most valuable as a CF.

He's also a Boras client... Boras would never let him sign with a team that intends to play him in a corner OF spot. He said it himself, "many teams in this league are in need of a centerfielder... maybe they'll go 'finding Nimmo.'" or some shit.

Here we go with positional inflexibility again.

I honestly don't know this, so I am asking - but are we committed to JRod in CF? If we landed Nimmo, why wouldn't we move JRod to RF? Julio played CF AND RF in the minors. In this article, a scout when he was in the minors said that he had a "legitimate right field arm".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernieples ... 0070611ff8

In this article, former Mariner Mike Cameron said “He told me three years ago that he was going to play center field and I was like, ‘You’re going to be too big to play center field. You’re going to be in right field, and that’s where you’re going to make your money at,'” He goes onto say that he changed this as his body changed, but the fact remains - might his body and arm be better suited for RF? He might not be blocked anymore with the departure of Mitch and the remaining flotsam of OFers we've got that might also slide into RF.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1644278/ ... ron-in-cf/

So I don't know. If we signed Nimmo, would it make more sense to move Julio to RF where he might be a better fit, even though he might prefer to stay in CF? Remove an emotional attachment we have to playing him in CF - what other reasons do we have to keep him there?

This is inflexibility I agree with.

JRod apparently worked his ass off to get himself to CF. For a kid that just signed a potential $400+ million contract, moving him off the position that he just cemented himself as a superstar in, and worked so hard to get, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially when you consider that CF is synonymous in Seattle with the biggest superstar the sport of baseball has ever seen. I guarantee you the club wants him in CF for that reason, even if it's to the determent of a couple runs saved... the image of having him there is stronger.

JP doesn't even have close to that same luxury... that positional inflexibility is a joke.

I just don't see Nimmo signing here.

[D-train]

This is eye opening. Pederson and Abreu ranked 2nd and 4th in wRC+ and obviously will be much cheaper.

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[D-train]

I'm not sure why Nimmo would sign for a team where a positional change would diminish his value.

The M's are not moving Julio from CF and Nimmo is most valuable as a CF.

He's also a Boras client... Boras would never let him sign with a team that intends to play him in a corner OF spot. He said it himself, "many teams in this league are in need of a centerfielder... maybe they'll go 'finding Nimmo.'" or some shit.

Here we go with positional inflexibility again.

I honestly don't know this, so I am asking - but are we committed to JRod in CF? If we landed Nimmo, why wouldn't we move JRod to RF? Julio played CF AND RF in the minors. In this article, a scout when he was in the minors said that he had a "legitimate right field arm".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernieples ... 0070611ff8

In this article, former Mariner Mike Cameron said “He told me three years ago that he was going to play center field and I was like, ‘You’re going to be too big to play center field. You’re going to be in right field, and that’s where you’re going to make your money at,'” He goes onto say that he changed this as his body changed, but the fact remains - might his body and arm be better suited for RF? He might not be blocked anymore with the departure of Mitch and the remaining flotsam of OFers we've got that might also slide into RF.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1644278/ ... ron-in-cf/

So I don't know. If we signed Nimmo, would it make more sense to move Julio to RF where he might be a better fit, even though he might prefer to stay in CF? Remove an emotional attachment we have to playing him in CF - what other reasons do we have to keep him there?

This is inflexibility I agree with.

JRod apparently worked his ass off to get himself to CF. For a kid that just signed a potential $400+ million contract, moving him off the position that he just cemented himself as a superstar in, and worked so hard to get, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially when you consider that CF is synonymous in Seattle with the biggest superstar the sport of baseball has ever seen. I guarantee you the club wants him in CF for that reason, even if it's to the determent of a couple runs saved... the image of having him there is stronger.

JP doesn't even have close to that same luxury... that positional inflexibility is a joke.

I just don't see Nimmo signing here.

Why wouldn't Nimmo sign here???

[Seattle or Bust]

Here we go with positional inflexibility again.

I honestly don't know this, so I am asking - but are we committed to JRod in CF? If we landed Nimmo, why wouldn't we move JRod to RF? Julio played CF AND RF in the minors. In this article, a scout when he was in the minors said that he had a "legitimate right field arm".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernieples ... 0070611ff8

In this article, former Mariner Mike Cameron said “He told me three years ago that he was going to play center field and I was like, ‘You’re going to be too big to play center field. You’re going to be in right field, and that’s where you’re going to make your money at,'” He goes onto say that he changed this as his body changed, but the fact remains - might his body and arm be better suited for RF? He might not be blocked anymore with the departure of Mitch and the remaining flotsam of OFers we've got that might also slide into RF.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1644278/ ... ron-in-cf/

So I don't know. If we signed Nimmo, would it make more sense to move Julio to RF where he might be a better fit, even though he might prefer to stay in CF? Remove an emotional attachment we have to playing him in CF - what other reasons do we have to keep him there?

This is inflexibility I agree with.

JRod apparently worked his ass off to get himself to CF. For a kid that just signed a potential $400+ million contract, moving him off the position that he just cemented himself as a superstar in, and worked so hard to get, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially when you consider that CF is synonymous in Seattle with the biggest superstar the sport of baseball has ever seen. I guarantee you the club wants him in CF for that reason, even if it's to the determent of a couple runs saved... the image of having him there is stronger.

JP doesn't even have close to that same luxury... that positional inflexibility is a joke.

I just don't see Nimmo signing here.

Why wouldn't Nimmo sign here???

Because he'll sign with a team that wants him to play center field. His contractual value is tied to that specific position.

Boras will not let him sign with a team that intends to play a corner OF position and the M's will likely attempt to pay him as such.

I bet you the conversation goes like this:

Dipoto: "We want Brandon Nimmo to come play outfield in Seattle."

Boras: "But you have Julio in CF, Nimmo is a CF, are you planning on moving Julio so my client plays CF?"

Dipoto: "No. We think Nimmo would be a good fit in a corner OF spot."

Boras: "But Jerry, my client is a center fielder and many teams are going to pay him for his services as a center fielder. Are you going to pay the upcharge that we expect him to get as CF?"

Dipoto: "No. Sorry. This is what we believe he's worth."

Boras: "Ok. Welp, this is what the Rockies, Marlins, Astros, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox, Giants, Cubs, and Mets are offering for my client to play in CF and they all have a clear need at the position. Can you beat that?"

Dipoto: "Nope."

Boras: "Welp, good luck."

[D-train]

Got it. Yeah here we go again.

[bpj]

Pretty unexpected to see the Astros and their GM parting ways after just winning the World Series.

Doesn't look like Click has made many notable moves during his time there and the trade he wanted to make this deadline was rejected by the owner.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/ ... click.html

[harmony]

News to this poster:

MLBTR has confirmed that the two-year deal Flexen signed upon returning from the KBO allows him to become a free agent next winter. As such, he’s a one-year rental.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/ ... zales.html

[ice99]

News to this poster:

MLBTR has confirmed that the two-year deal Flexen signed upon returning from the KBO allows him to become a free agent next winter. As such, he’s a one-year rental.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/ ... zales.html

Yes, these players coming back from overseas sometimes have different contracts.

[Big_Maple]

News to this poster:

MLBTR has confirmed that the two-year deal Flexen signed upon returning from the KBO allows him to become a free agent next winter. As such, he’s a one-year rental.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/ ... zales.html

Would this make Marco a more likely trade candidate? He has 2 years left, right? (All else being equal, which it’s not)