Trade!!!

[Juliooooo]

I'm a bit surprised that Macko was the prospect in this trade just because it seems like Toronto would have wanted someone like Taylor Dollard or Bryce Miller. I wonder if those were the guys they wanted and Seattle simply said no, or if Macko was their guy all along. I'm not down on Macko exactly, but he's been injured a lot and it's hard to develop when you can't stay on the field. I'm also a bit surprised they didn't pry an additional mid-level prospect out of the M's, someone like Spencer Packard, Kaden Polcovich, Zach Deloach, or a pitcher from the arm pile.

The system is really getting depleted though, so that's something to watch. Most of the players that are left, especially at the top tier, are guys the Mariners should want to keep, several of which could take major leaps next season, which is pretty exciting.

I like the trade. Teoscar will be another feared slugger in the middle of the line-up. Don't want to see Suarez and him back to back in the order as both are righties and both excel in lots of K's. I read that Hernandez changed his swing from the massive uppercut flyball loft philosophy to more of a line drive swing and that helped his contact rate, so good there.

Take a chance on Lowe for 2nd base. What do opposing managers and pitchers do with another slugging mistake crusher as opposed to Frazier's weak-ass Ichiro imitation minus the speed?

Go after the pitcher and OFer from Japan. It's only money and no player capital depletion if going for trades instead.

Macko is the wildcard that I disagree with, even with his walk rate and injury propensity. Dipoto (Hollander, I don't know enuf about) has always traded away left-handers and the M's are absolutely bereft of them now. Plenty of time to change with possible trades and FA signings but FanGraph's RR projects 2023 M's bullpen as thus:
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What dregs are in AAA & AA? Sheffield could be converted to relief but I don't believe he'll ever be anybody to be counted on.
Here's the relief pitcher depth:
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The 4 lefties in AAA? 28 y.o. Speier was waived by KC. He actually was pretty good in limited action with the Royals in '22 but sucked for them in AAA. 31 y.o. Bernardino, has exactly 2 MLB appearances in his career. Margevicius??? Yah, we all love him, don't we? Gag!!! 26 y.o. Ben Onyshko is an unknown. Certainly hasn't excelled, but he's Canadian, just like Paxton, eh? Drafted in the 24th round of the 2018 MLB draft out of Stetson U. in Florida. He wasn't a world beater at Stetson and was "adequate" in Arkansas in'22.
There's only 3 LH RP's in AA and they're unknowns, but perhaps Jorge Benitez shows promise. Down in A+ there might be three future players in Brayan Perez, Blake Townsend and Raúl Alcantara but they are young.

That's the part of the Adam Macko trade that bothers me. Swanson was a give to get. Gotta count on the M's brass to find that next bullpen lefty stud but the cupboard is bare right now, imho.

Go west, any good LH relievers in Japan?

Astros just won the world series without a single lefty reliever. They are less valuable now with the 3 batter rule. If there is a good lefty, then awesome, but I don't think you need to have a lefty just to have a lefty. Campbell, Berroa and Miller could all be really good relievers next year if thats how the Mariners choose to use them (Berroa and Miller specifically).

[GL_Storm]

Not many players have come to Seattle and had career years.

Okay fine. So you're saying we shouldn't hope for the player's best? What is your point exactly?

I was asking if anyone knew what stat or stats are used when MLB evaluates a player's value in order to determine an appropriate draft compensation if he turns down the QO.

Oh I see. I didn't realize that was your question when you asked about stats. The answer is that stats don't matter in the sense you mean. It's entirely binary in that the QO is either offered or it is not. If it's offered, but not accepted then the acquiring team is liable to provide draft pick compensation of some kind depending on various factors, but the pick that is awarded has nothing to do with the quality of the player. There used to be Type A, Type B, and I believe Type C free agents, which were determined by player performance. I think that's probably what you're thinking of, but those don't exist anymore.

[rockycola]

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The 4 lefties in AAA? 28 y.o. Speier was waived by KC. He actually was pretty good in limited action with the Royals in '22 but sucked for them in AAA. 31 y.o. Bernardino, has exactly 2 MLB appearances in his career. Margevicius??? Yah, we all love him, don't we? Gag!!! 26 y.o. Ben Onyshko is an unknown. Certainly hasn't excelled, but he's Canadian, just like Paxton, eh? Drafted in the 24th round of the 2018 MLB draft out of Stetson U. in Florida. He wasn't a world beater at Stetson and was "adequate" in Arkansas in'22.
There's only 3 LH RP's in AA and they're unknowns, but perhaps Jorge Benitez shows promise. Down in A+ there might be three future players in Brayan Perez, Blake Townsend and Raúl Alcantara but they are young.

That's the part of the Adam Macko trade that bothers me. Swanson was a give to get. Gotta count on the M's brass to find that next bullpen lefty stud but the cupboard is bare right now, imho.

Go west, any good LH relievers in Japan?

Astros just won the world series without a single lefty reliever. They are less valuable now with the 3 batter rule. If there is a good lefty, then awesome, but I don't think you need to have a lefty just to have a lefty. Campbell, Berroa and Miller could all be really good relievers next year if thats how the Mariners choose to use them (Berroa and Miller specifically).

Perhaps you're right. Just to have a lefty if he's shit makes no sense but a stud lefty that has a solid history against LH & RH batters is a valuable asset. It seems Dipoto adheres does adhere to the philosophy that LH RP's aren't necessary. Still, I don't like that there's nobody do draw upon and I think one to counter an opposing team with an over abundance of LH hitters comes in handy.

The fact (thanks for that intel, I was unaware) that the Astros accomplished the WS title with no LHP's in the pen speaks volumes about what is and is not needed.

Is Bryce Miller available to be selected in the Rule 5 draft by another team?

[GL_Storm]

Is Bryce Miller available to be selected in the Rule 5 draft by another team?

No, he was a 2021 draftee and does not need to be rostered at this point.

[Juliooooo]

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The 4 lefties in AAA? 28 y.o. Speier was waived by KC. He actually was pretty good in limited action with the Royals in '22 but sucked for them in AAA. 31 y.o. Bernardino, has exactly 2 MLB appearances in his career. Margevicius??? Yah, we all love him, don't we? Gag!!! 26 y.o. Ben Onyshko is an unknown. Certainly hasn't excelled, but he's Canadian, just like Paxton, eh? Drafted in the 24th round of the 2018 MLB draft out of Stetson U. in Florida. He wasn't a world beater at Stetson and was "adequate" in Arkansas in'22.
There's only 3 LH RP's in AA and they're unknowns, but perhaps Jorge Benitez shows promise. Down in A+ there might be three future players in Brayan Perez, Blake Townsend and Raúl Alcantara but they are young.

That's the part of the Adam Macko trade that bothers me. Swanson was a give to get. Gotta count on the M's brass to find that next bullpen lefty stud but the cupboard is bare right now, imho.

Go west, any good LH relievers in Japan?

Astros just won the world series without a single lefty reliever. They are less valuable now with the 3 batter rule. If there is a good lefty, then awesome, but I don't think you need to have a lefty just to have a lefty. Campbell, Berroa and Miller could all be really good relievers next year if thats how the Mariners choose to use them (Berroa and Miller specifically).

Perhaps you're right. Just to have a lefty if he's shit makes no sense but a stud lefty that has a solid history against LH & RH batters is a valuable asset. It seems Dipoto adheres does adhere to the philosophy that LH RP's aren't necessary. Still, I don't like that there's nobody do draw upon and I think one to counter an opposing team with an over abundance of LH hitters comes in handy.

The fact (thanks for that intel, I was unaware) that the Astros accomplished the WS title with no LHP's in the pen speaks volumes about what is and is not needed.

Is Bryce Miller available to be selected in the Rule 5 draft by another team?

No. He's probably not even eligible next year. Need to be in the system 5 years before being eligible.

[harmony]

FanGraphs offers its analysis of the trade:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-s ... yer-trade/

[GL_Storm]

Astros just won the world series without a single lefty reliever. They are less valuable now with the 3 batter rule. If there is a good lefty, then awesome, but I don't think you need to have a lefty just to have a lefty. Campbell, Berroa and Miller could all be really good relievers next year if thats how the Mariners choose to use them (Berroa and Miller specifically).

Perhaps you're right. Just to have a lefty if he's shit makes no sense but a stud lefty that has a solid history against LH & RH batters is a valuable asset. It seems Dipoto adheres does adhere to the philosophy that LH RP's aren't necessary. Still, I don't like that there's nobody do draw upon and I think one to counter an opposing team with an over abundance of LH hitters comes in handy.

The fact (thanks for that intel, I was unaware) that the Astros accomplished the WS title with no LHP's in the pen speaks volumes about what is and is not needed.

Is Bryce Miller available to be selected in the Rule 5 draft by another team?

No. He's probably not even eligible next year. Need to be in the system 5 years before being eligible.

Not exactly. He was a college player so he has 4 years in the org before he's eligible and would need protection.

Players signed at age 18 or younger need to be added to their club's 40-Man roster within five seasons or they become eligible for the Rule 5 Draft. Players who signed at age 19 or older need to be protected within four seasons.

[Pharmabro]

So far so good

1. Julio CF 147 OPS+
2. France 1B 128 OPS+
3. _____________ L
4. Teoscar RF 127 OPS+
5. Saurez 3B 130 OPS+
6. Cal C SH 122 OPS+
7. *Winker DH 103 OPS+
8. Moore 2B 122 OPS+
9. *JP SS 100 OPS+

Right now that 3rd OF spot is best of JK, Marlowe, Lewis, Moore, Sam, TT::::: I am hoping for Nimmo, but would not complain if it was judge

[bpj]

FanGraphs offers its analysis of the trade:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-s ... yer-trade/

Added a bat that ranks above Carlos Correa and Xander Bogaerts without spending $250 Million.

[Juliooooo]

Not exactly. He was a college player so he has 4 years in the org before he's eligible and would need protection.

Thanks for the clarification. Either way, he's not eligible until 2025 it seems as he was drafted 2021. Shouldn't be an issue for him