The slightly too early trade deadline thread

[Seattle or Bust]

Wouldn’t trade Miller for India in a million years.

98 career OPS+ with horrid D at 2B. What exactly is there to like?

[bpj]

Wouldn’t trade Miller for India in a million years.

98 career OPS+ with horrid D at 2B. What exactly is there to like?

Been wondering the same thing.

I wouldn't trade for a guy that's a downgrade from Caballero.

[Juliooooo]

Wouldn’t trade Miller for India in a million years.

98 career OPS+ with horrid D at 2B. What exactly is there to like?

I know nothing about his defense. If he were a good defender, I’d be OK with it, but mostly because I think the mariners will be cheap. Not sure Caballero is going to stick as an every day player, but I love him as a utility guy.

[Seattle or Bust]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/ ... ikely.html

Hints the Soto is now available. Is one year of him worth what it would take to get him? Literally the perfect bat for the M’s O.

[Seattle or Bust]

I didn't know this...

But Ryan Divish is on video last year saying the M's put an offer in for Juan Soto. He said that package included Logan Gilbert but wasn't considered as serious as the Padres package to the Nats.

Would you guys do Logan Gilbert for Juan Soto and Blake Snell?

Soto is actually a guy you'd want to give that 10-year $400 million to. He's not even 25 yet.

[Sexymarinersfan]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/ ... ikely.html

Hints the Soto is now available. Is one year of him worth what it would take to get him? Literally the perfect bat for the M’s O.

Pass, unless you can get him to agree to sign a long-term extension before you trade for him, then MAYBE.

Q: would you rather trade the assets necessary to acquire Soto, or hold onto them and make a run at Ohtani?

[Seattle or Bust]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/ ... ikely.html

Hints the Soto is now available. Is one year of him worth what it would take to get him? Literally the perfect bat for the M’s O.

Pass, unless you can get him to agree to sign a long-term extension before you trade for him, then MAYBE.

Q: would you rather trade the assets necessary to acquire Soto, or hold onto them and make a run at Ohtani?

I dono. Soto is 5 years younger.

As the deadline nears, the Mariners remain a team to watch. They have the one commodity virtually every other contender wants, controllable starting pitching. And as interest in their pitchers mounts, they are considering trading a starter for a package that would include a hitter of similar age and impact, according to sources briefed on their thinking.

The Mariners currently have four starting pitchers in their rotation between the ages of 23 and 26 — All-Star George Kirby, Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller and Bryan Woo. They also have a potential starter-in-waiting, Emerson Hancock, 24, who was Texas League Pitcher of the Month for June.
If the Mariners traded a starter, they would want the players they obtained, combined with the promotion of Hancock, to enhance their playoff odds, which according to Fangraphs currently stand at 14.2 percent. The Rays, Orioles and Diamondbacks are among the contenders who could be a match. So could a non-contender such as the Cardinals, as mentioned earlier this week.

The Mariners’ bar for such a deal, though, is rather high.

The entire industry took notice Wednesday night when the Angels traded two of their best prospects, catcher Edgar Quero and left-hander Ky Bush, for a pair of rentals from the White Sox, right-hander Lucas Giolito and reliever Reynaldo López. Quero, 20, is the game’s No. 84 prospect, according to Baseball America’s updated rankings.

Controllable starters are far more valuable in the market than two months of Giolito. In fact, they are such coveted assets, a straight-up deal for a controllable hitter probably would not be of interest to Jerry Dipoto and Co., unless the hitter already was a star. Starting pitching is valuable.

Starting pitching is fragile. The Mariners know, because they’re living it.

Robbie Ray made only one start this season before requiring flexor tendon repair and Tommy John surgery. Marco Gonzales is on the 60-day injured list recovering from a left forearm strain. Two advanced starting-pitching prospects, Easton McGee (elbow) and Taylor Dollard (labrum), also are out for the season, as is reliever Penn Murfee (elbow).

Baseball people will tell you that a pitching surplus can turn into a pitching shortage quickly. But perhaps the Mariners could work other avenues to maintain their rotation depth. One possibility would be expanding their trade of a starter to get another one back. Another would be moving a potential free-agent hitter in demand, right fielder Teoscar Hernández, for a rental starting pitcher.

A lot of bodies could end up flying around. The more a team tries to connect a series of deals, the greater the degree of difficulty. Still, the Mariners under Dipoto have not shied from dramatic in-season makeovers. They’ve got something everyone else wants. The question now is whether they will leverage it.

Rosenthal from the The Athletic

[Donn Beach]

You can do things to make it impact from an organizational standpoint, but you can’t do stupid things if you intend to sustain. And that’s what we’ve really built this on is the desire to sustain, and we’re going to try to avoid stupid things.

That's what it's about, they really aren't thinking in terms of a window

[Vogelbomb]

I wonder what it would take to grab Luis Robert off the Sox, Franco off the Rays or Witt off the Royals ?

[Pharmabro]

• • Soto has a trade calc. of

Soto is the bat we need 158 OPS+. And Snell would give us another Ace 157 ERA+for a playoff run.

Rotation
1. Snell 157
2. Castillo 137
3. Kirby 116
4. Miller 103
5. Woo 83

lineup
1. SS JP* 118 OPS+
2. CF Julio 108
3. OF Soto* 158
4. C Murphy 142
5. 1B Ford* 133
6. 2B Dilly M 119
7. OF JK* 112
8. DH Cal** 105
9. 3B Geno 101
( The starters average 122 OPS+
Bench: Util Jose C. 97, OF Teo 96, OF Marlowe 209, (One of Wong, TT, Haggerty, AJ)
*Haggerty probably is the best fit as the 13th position player

We could probably add in Wong and AJ

There are a few possible ways to make this trade work out in a favorable way. We could get rid of the White deal, or the Marco deal.

I like the one where we get rid of the Marco deal the best.