Shit storm on Twitter about Abe Lucus' opinions

[auroraave]

No I don't agree. I don't think they are lunatics, I suspect there is solid science behind it. And I don't form my options from watching Fox news. Things get more complicated as we evolve. I understand there's a reactionary element that wants to keep things simple, for me that's an emotional reaction. I've pointed it out before, I think the future is going to be more about totally different ways of looking at ourselves biologically and sociologically than it's going to be flying cars. This sort of thing is exactly where the change is coming. My understanding really doesn't have anything to do with it, and electing trump for president isn't going to change anything either. Kids a couple of generations from now will consider it normal

So you support men competing in women's sports. Your entire post is stright from the white house press secretary's nonsensical word salad - you even manage to include Trump and fox news as villains. My emotional reaction was I laughed at the nonsense from the forum's nonsense factory.

So, the Olympics will have men competing in woman's sports? Naw, that ain't gonna happen. The rest of the world won't put up with that BS - because it's NONSENSE and everyone with half a brain knows this. The rest of the world does not buy into the lunatic left wing crap American politicians and CNN spew. They just don't. Most of America doesn't either and men in women's sports will never be 'normalized.' That's silly.

[Donn Beach]

This is what kills me, you guys wanting to politicize everything, that's why included trump. How's your reading comprehension? I said I don't understand the science, show me anything from the WH about them not understanding something. In fact show me something from the WH taking a stand on the issue in the first place. I'd be interested to see what they have to say. And if it's political and none of the rest of the world buys into it then what's the rationale of keeping those African girls from competing in the Olympics?

[Donn Beach]

It's not political, it's generational, that's what's being missed

. For Gen Z (those born 1995-2012), the whole concept of gender is more fluid. Not only can people be transgender, identifying with a gender different from their sex assigned at birth, but they can identify as neither male nor female (often called nonbinary, sometimes shortened to enby, the phonetic of N.B.; there’s also gender fluid, gender queer, demiboy, demigirl, and many other terms describing self-definitions of gender). Gen Z speaks a whole language of gender often barely understood by their Gen X and even Millennial parents—or by most people just a few short years ago. There’s cisgender (or cis, someone whose gender identity is congruent with their sex assigned at birth—who’s not transgender). There’s AMAB (assigned male at birth) and AFAB (assigned female at birth), terms meant to express that sex is assigned by others. There’s also agender (someone who doesn’t identify with having a gender at all). This rainbow of identities is why Gen Z thinks it is important to state your pronouns (for example, she/her, he/him, they/ them), as it may not be obvious which set(s) someone prefers. And if everyone states their pronouns, that makes “it easier for non-cis people or friends to then say their pronouns without having to be the first to say it,”


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[auroraave]

It's not political, it's generational, that's what's being missed

. For Gen Z (those born 1995-2012), the whole concept of gender is more fluid. Not only can people be transgender, identifying with a gender different from their sex assigned at birth, but they can identify as neither male nor female (often called nonbinary, sometimes shortened to enby, the phonetic of N.B.; there’s also gender fluid, gender queer, demiboy, demigirl, and many other terms describing self-definitions of gender). Gen Z speaks a whole language of gender often barely understood by their Gen X and even Millennial parents—or by most people just a few short years ago. There’s cisgender (or cis, someone whose gender identity is congruent with their sex assigned at birth—who’s not transgender). There’s AMAB (assigned male at birth) and AFAB (assigned female at birth), terms meant to express that sex is assigned by others. There’s also agender (someone who doesn’t identify with having a gender at all). This rainbow of identities is why Gen Z thinks it is important to state your pronouns (for example, she/her, he/him, they/ them), as it may not be obvious which set(s) someone prefers. And if everyone states their pronouns, that makes “it easier for non-cis people or friends to then say their pronouns without having to be the first to say it,”


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It's nonsense. Males of the species have the XY chromosomes - females of the species have XX. "Identifying" isn't science - it's nonsense. It's 100% political because politicians are using these silly narratives to grow thier base based on this stuff. They know it's not trtue. It's not reality. Using 'alt" pronouns is not living in reality - it's a silly game kids play. I don't know any adults that do that. XX v XY - that's where the discussion begins and ends. You may have a chromosomal anomoly on occasion, but the rest is a distraction brought to you by CNN, Politicians and Pharmaceutical companies looking to profit off the situation. All the word salad in the world doesn't erase common sense and basic science - and 'your feelings' and "I identify as" don't matter when a dude is getting a girl kicked off a team she's trained for her whole life for and taking trophies those girls were chasing. The argument is laughable. XX v XY. The rest is a nonsense. Cutting and pasting something you found on the interwebs is not in any way supporting your position. It's just more word salad.

[Donn Beach]

My position? It's not about chromosomes, it's about testosterone. again, two young women in Africa cannot compete at the Olympics because their bodies naturally produce a higher level of testosterone than other girls. You can call it nonsense but it's in fact the rules now, and it's not just the united states

[Michael K.]

My position? It's not about chromosomes, it's about testosterone. again, two young women in Africa cannot compete at the Olympics because their bodies naturally produce a higher level of testosterone than other girls. You can call it nonsense but it's in fact the rules now, and it's not just the united states

The only reason a woman wouldn't be able to compete against other woman is because men were trying to do it so they had to set rules. Their body naturally produces more T. That wouldn't have been a problem had a bunch of men not decided since they got their asses kicked in weightlifting, swimming and wrestling against other men? They would "identify" as woman and try that sport. I really I just over generalized it, but is it not true? Did they test woman for T before men started trying to compete against woman?

[Donn Beach]

With a quick Google, actually now the IOC is backing away from testosterone being the deciding factor. But I doubt that means they are reconsidering having a dick

.The new policy asks sports organizations to look at a number of factors including inclusion, prevention of harm and fairness when making their rules. But the biggest seemed to be backing away from testosterone limits.

“It’s important we broaden the evidence base,” Budgett said. “There is some interesting research that needs to come to conclusion, and that will give us much more information about performance which is the issue which is really key to determining eligibility.”

Some interesting research that needs to come to conclusion, it's the science that's pushing it


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/o ... y-changes/

[douche]

I think it all stems from people wanting to be victims. Victims get attention, get called heroes, and instead of calling them insane, they are 'brave'.

Everybody growing up wants to stand out, to be unique, to be 'special' - it gave rise to greasers, then hippies, then punk rockers, emos, and whatever came after I graduated. All of those things were mostly harmless, but this generation didn't get enough attention by having crazy hair, they had to step it up and be part of the alphabet community.

It's incredibly dangerous for society.

100%

[Sibelius Hindemith]

My position? It's not about chromosomes, it's about testosterone. again, two young women in Africa cannot compete at the Olympics because their bodies naturally produce a higher level of testosterone than other girls. You can call it nonsense but it's in fact the rules now, and it's not just the united states

So what's your point? Do you think biological males should be free to compete in women's sports without regard to hormone levels, yes or no? That seems to be what you are suggesting but since you aren't capable of stating your beliefs one can only guess. Just stop saying "it's about testosterone" because nobody was debating what the rules are. The moral issue goes beyond observing simple rules.

[Donn Beach]

Who said I was debating anybody, just offering information