Shit storm on Twitter about Abe Lucus' opinions

[SeattleAddict]

My position? It's not about chromosomes, it's about testosterone. again, two young women in Africa cannot compete at the Olympics because their bodies naturally produce a higher level of testosterone than other girls. You can call it nonsense but it's in fact the rules now, and it's not just the united states

So what's your point? Do you think biological males should be free to compete in women's sports without regard to hormone levels, yes or no? That seems to be what you are suggesting but since you aren't capable of stating your beliefs one can only guess. Just stop saying "it's about testosterone" because nobody was debating what the rules are. The moral issue goes beyond observing simple rules.

now that I think about it, it is totally ridiculous to base it off hormone levels. If that's what they want to do, then there wouldn't be "men's" and "women's" divisions, it would be "high testosterone" and "low testosterone" divisions.

[Donn Beach]

I could see that, like evolve into using different designations, who knows. Men and women is pretty old fashioned

[Pharmabro]

which comment are your referring to? Lia Thomas still has a penis. That is literally a man pretending to be a woman, whether or not he was taking estrogen or grew his hair out.

Imagine LeBron James declaring he's a woman, and going to the WNBA.

If you have watched basketball lately, you'd swear he has already done that

I have actually not watched an NBA game since the Sonics were stolen. I have no idea what the game even looks like any more, and it used to be my favorite sport.

#Me to!

[Pharmabro]

It has nothing to do with what you claim, it's your testosterone level.

If you are assigned male at birth:

You may compete on the men’s team, even if you begin testosterone suppression or estrogen therapy.
You may only compete as female after undergoing at least one year of documented hormone (testosterone) suppressants to prove that your testosterone levels are at or below an average female level . You may NOT compete as female without undergoing at least one year of this testosterone suppression therapy. This testosterone suppression eliminates testosterone-based advantages a trans woman might have over a cisgender woman -- as her testosterone levels should be the same or lower than an average cisgender woman.

I wasn't aware of that. What I don't know is if there is a level of testosterone that is considered too high to compete as a woman. I mean, if that woman was born a man.

Jesus Christ, what did I just type!?

That is a BS argument. KIA Lia Thomas lived as a male and experienced male growth and muscle development. He has Greater bone density, lung capacity, muscle mass, greater RBC counts and that equals an aerobic advantage. Declaring that 1 year of hormone suppressing therapy and testing T-levels presumably right before entering competition is a complete fucking joke. suppressing hormones' does not eliminate the built advantages.

[D-train]

I could see that, like evolve into using different designations, who knows. Men and women is pretty old fashioned

And it is "Progressive" to call a human with male Junk a Woman because they have been taking drugs for a year. If that's progress, nobody should be surprised that most people want to be "old fashioned" aka rational.

[Donn Beach]

So actually this took place over a year ago? Since then they have changed the rules, Thomas would no longer be eligible to race. This story seems to be is old news

[Michael K.]

It has nothing to do with what you claim, it's your testosterone level.

If you are assigned male at birth:

You may compete on the men’s team, even if you begin testosterone suppression or estrogen therapy.
You may only compete as female after undergoing at least one year of documented hormone (testosterone) suppressants to prove that your testosterone levels are at or below an average female level . You may NOT compete as female without undergoing at least one year of this testosterone suppression therapy. This testosterone suppression eliminates testosterone-based advantages a trans woman might have over a cisgender woman -- as her testosterone levels should be the same or lower than an average cisgender woman.

I wasn't aware of that. What I don't know is if there is a level of testosterone that is considered too high to compete as a woman. I mean, if that woman was born a man.

Jesus Christ, what did I just type!?

That is a BS argument. KIA Lia Thomas lived as a male and experienced male growth and muscle development. He has Greater bone density, lung capacity, muscle mass, greater RBC counts and that equals an aerobic advantage. Declaring that 1 year of hormone suppressing therapy and testing T-levels presumably right before entering competition is a complete fucking joke. suppressing hormones' does not eliminate the built advantages.

Are you saying I am arguing something different?

[auroraave]

I could see that, like evolve into using different designations, who knows. Men and women is pretty old fashioned

And it is "Progressive" to call a human with male Junk a Woman because they have been taking drugs for a year. If that's progress, nobody should be surprised that most people want to be "old fashioned" aka rational.

So, XX vs XY - basic biology and science is 'old fashioned" now? That has to be the worst take I have ever read. 99.9% of all species are made up of a male and female who's only role in the species is to breed and continue to further the species. that's all - and that includes the human species. ANYthing else is nonsense. Proclaiming pronouns and feelings and 'yeah buts' simply do not matter - mother nature simply does not give a shit. The .0001 genetic anomolies are not making the rules for the other 99.9999 %. The fact any adult has to point this out to any other adult is utterly astonishing. There is no way people are this dumb.

Humans are hilarious - they think they get to 'choose' their gender and if you gove politician your money they can manipulate the climate. Mother nature is just laughing her ass off watching us build bombs and viruses that may very well end our own existance - or maybe she'll pull the plug with a mega volcanic eruption or earthquake or whatever she chooses. The fact we think we are in control of anything is absolutely hysterical. The one species hurtling towards their own demise at thier own hands - thinks they are in control of anything. lol!

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I think we are witnessing the de-evolution of the human species in America and other parts of the developed world. We may indeed split into two distinct creatures much like those in HG Wells' Time Machine.

[auroraave]

I think we are witnessing the de-evolution of the human species in America and other parts of the developed world. We may indeed split into two distinct creatures much like those in HG Wells' Time Machine.

Do you think the two species will be called they/them?