Bob's grades

[Michael K.]

It's kind of obvious this loss was 95% bad coaching. They weren't prepared and they couldn't adjust. They have a good roster and terrible coaches.

I wish I didn't agree, but I do. And we all know that Pete is loyal to a fault. Schotty had to basically raise his middle finger and create an issue with Russ in order to not be asked back. And even that was a fucking fiasco because he tried to claim it was mutual, and I feel he even tried to lay some of it on Russ. Then Pete took some heat for it and comes out and says it wasn't mutual. It was all because Schotty didn't agree with Pete's decision to take the ball out of Russ' hands. Again, flat out floors me that a guy favored to win the MVP award can be the reason we pull the offense back, but it's OK for Geno Fucking Smith to sling it all over. Only Pete would see that and not see a problem, and only the soft ass Pacific Northwest coffee sipping Seattle media wouldn't point it out as fucking preposterous!

Seriously, the more I think about Sunday the more I think Shayne Waldron might be the OC I hate the most. And this is coming from a guy that watched Little Johnnie Smith, Bush Hamden, John Donovan, Daryl Bevell and Jeremy Bates! Waldron threw a fucking temper tantrum, that is all there is to it. Anyone that watched what he called an attempt at a run game this Sunday and thought that Shayne actually tried? Doesn't understand football. It looks like Bob doesn't understand football. I called it in the game thread as soon as we gave the ball back after we turned them over when it was only 7 to 0. I said if this becomes a two score game we will throw it all over the field and get our asses kicked. Waldron is over his head, but he is Pete's guy, so get used to it.

[Donn Beach]

What makes him Pete's guy? He hired him, he can also fire him. It's not like he brought him along from USC or something. Kris Richard and ken Norton jr were more Pete's guys than Shane Waldron

[douche]

But why only run Walker up the gut over and over and over. His skill set is quickness and elusiveness and they play call for him like he is Larry Csonka. Get him outside in space!!! How do they not see that???

That's the multi million dollar question. As I mentioned in another thread, we're just fans watching the game and we can see it. Carroll is paid millions to scheme a game plan and make adjustments, and he can't? It really makes a person scratch ones' head.

[douche]

This...

If the seahawks had fired Waldren and Hurt last week and hired two highschool coaches to be the coordinators could they have looked any worse today?

I think the answer is a definitive 'No'.

[Michael K.]

What makes him Pete's guy? He hired him, he can also fire him. It's not like he brought him along from USC or something. Kris Richard and ken Norton jr were more Pete's guys than Shane Waldron

Because when he was unhappy with Schotty, about an offense that WAS performing? He made it very clear. Last week? After an ugly performance by Geno? An ugly game where we ran it 13 times with actual RBs? His only comment was "we need to run it more". Go back and read my comparison to his utter digust with our 7 and 1 start when Russ was lighting the world on fire. Pete is fine with this bullshit.

[Donn Beach]

But why only run Walker up the gut over and over and over. His skill set is quickness and elusiveness and they play call for him like he is Larry Csonka. Get him outside in space!!! How do they not see that???

That's the multi million dollar question. As I mentioned in another thread, we're just fans watching the game and we can see it. Carroll is paid millions to scheme a game plan and make adjustments, and he can't? It really makes a person scratch ones' head.

Are they trying something different this season? He was successful last season, I would guess it was with the sort of style they are attempting this season.

From last season

“I think in the last three weeks you’ve seen style-wise a shift a little bit,” Carroll said during his Monday radio show on Seattle Sports. “He made the adjustment we asked him to about hitting stuff and it’s just helping him, and that consistency brings out the best in our offensive line, too.”

“I thought he was really, really aggressive, man,” Carroll said. “I thought he was attacking everything. He looks so explosive. I was thrilled to see when I was looking at the film to see how explosive he looked this late in the season after run like this where he has had the ball a lot.

[Michael K.]

Genius. Yep, what worked last year shouldn't be done this year? You watch our run game this year in comparison to what we did last year and see us doing the same things that worked? Sorry, watch the last two games. One, the run game worked and Waldron didn't care. The next, he tried to run simple dive plays and get into long yardage situations on second and third down, and he continued to do it despite the fact that it didn't work.

Watching the last two games were enough for me. Waldron is over his head, and everything that was so creative about the Rams run game while he was there had to be all about McVey. OR? Pete is perfectly fine with it and it's what he wants. Either way? We are more than likely fucked. We do not have the QB to win many football games without an effective run game.

We didn't try anything. Did we go play action on first down? No. Did we try to spread it out and actually run against a box not loaded? No. We ran simple dive plays, relied on Geno to get us out of long yardage situations against the team leading the NFL in sacks coming in, and then we raised our arms up like "what are we supposed to do", and continued to do it. It was bad, real fucking bad. And I expect more of it. Why? Because I believe Pete Carroll is a fucking crazy person. One of the master motivators ever, and obviously a great coach. But when it comes to what they do, and adapting to a game plan they WANT to work, even though it doesn't? They don't adapt. They won't adapt. Donn himself posted a quote from Pete way back in the early days that suggested he lost as a Jet doing things someone else's way, and he will never do that again.

This is is way, it has to be, or we would hear suggestions in what he says, just like we did in 2021, when a 7 and 1 start didn't make him comfortable, so we changed. And finished something like 5 and 5. Then went into 2022 and flat out STUNK. So? He then realized we needed to change. The problem is, that initial change happened with us in first place and winners of seven out of eight!

[douche]

We didn't try anything. Did we go play action on first down? No. Did we try to spread it out and actually run against a box not loaded? No. We ran simple dive plays, relied on Geno to get us out of long yardage situations against the team leading the NFL in sacks coming in, and then we raised our arms up like "what are we supposed to do", and continued to do it. It was bad, real fucking bad. And I expect more of it. Why? Because I believe Pete Carroll is a fucking crazy person. One of the master motivators ever, and obviously a great coach. But when it comes to what they do, and adapting to a game plan they WANT to work, even though it doesn't? They don't adapt. They won't adapt.

Solid coach, can build a great roster and SEA is apparently the best (and most fun) place to play in the NFL. But after this game, I'm having a hard time with the 'master motivator' comment, because a team that just got shellacked 37-3 doesn't say much about motivation.

That said, PC has his strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone else.

[Michael K.]

That said, PC has his strengths and weaknesses, just like everyone else.

I just think his biggest weakness is on the offensive side of the ball, and what he believes is a style that works. The offense was working when Russ was cooking in 2020. I remember the Giants game, and Schotty and Russ refusing to take what the defense was giving them, the short stuff. We kept forcing it deep against a deep zone, and that was stupid. So, make some tweeks, fine. But he actually came out after a 34 to 31 overtime loss to the Cardinals and blamed Russ and the Offense. That was a game that Bobby had one of the dumbest late hits I've ever seen to allow the Cards to retain the ball after a third down stop. One of our DE's not only jumped off sides on a FG attempt when we were up ten, but he also roughed the kicker! That allowed the Cards to keep the ball, and later scored a TD to cut it to three. We went into a shell, went three and out, punted it back and AZ kicked the game tieing FG.

The only part of that situation I described that is remotely close to being the offenses fault is the late three and out, and that was because we ran three simple dive plays. No coach in the NFL blames his offense for that loss. I remember breaking down Kyler Murry's production before that game and then in our game. He completed like twelve more passes for something like 200 more yards against us than he had prior. BUT? Pete comes out in the presser and blames Russ. I think that was the beginning of the end of the relationship with Russ. Yes, I think Russ is a douche, but yes, I also think Pete was 1000 percent in the wrong for the collapse of the 2020 season. Just like I think calling a pass play on the goal line is 1000% why the dynasty collapsed. I blame Pete for that too.

Sorry, he has done great things, but he is not only responsible for a Super Bowl loss, but the collapse of a dynasty and what looked like a very promising start in 2020. There is just no chance I can trust a guy that pulls the plug on that offense, but has yet to step in this year. This offense is dogshit. And that shows when we play good teams. Geno is below average at best, and that shows when we play good teams. Yet all I read and hear are excuses. It's bullshit. The offense has TONS of weapons, but we have an incredibly unimaginative run game and a below average QB trying to get the ball to those weapons.

[Donn Beach]

There is just no chance I can trust a guy that pulls the plug on that offense

I thought the issue were teams had adjusted to the Russell cooking offense but Russell and shotty weren't adjusting to those adjustments. Seeing the issues Russell is having now it seems more reasonable that he isn't actually that bright a QB.