Bob's grades

[Michael K.]

There is undoubtedly very clever offensive minds out there, much superior to Pete's or defensive too for that matter. The question is gambling on having the correct one. And even if they are superior can they actually win ballgames. I've seen plenty of them come along, it's a tough racket to really be successful at

I think Pete's vision of what his team should look like makes it very difficult on offensive coaches. That said? This year blows me away. This team looks like it was built to play the style of football he was successful at with the LOB and Beastmode, and a QB in Russ that thrived on play action and moving around. The incredibly unimaginative run game floors me, and Pete's silence on the matter pisses me off. Again, it's incredibly hypocritical. Maybe he believes what he did in 2020 was wrong, so he won't do it again? But all I know is I have very little faith in them turning this around on offense. I also believe 1000% that Pete won't be held accountable for it, and the ire in Seattle amongst fans and media will all circle around fire Waldron. I've seen enough new OC's to know that won't do shit for this offense.

[D-train]

There is undoubtedly very clever offensive minds out there, much superior to Pete's or defensive too for that matter. The question is gambling on having the correct one. And even if they are superior can they actually win ballgames. I've seen plenty of them come along, it's a tough racket to really be successful at

I think Pete's vision of what his team should look like makes it very difficult on offensive coaches. That said? This year blows me away. This team looks like it was built to play the style of football he was successful at with the LOB and Beastmode, and a QB in Russ that thrived on play action and moving around. The incredibly unimaginative run game floors me, and Pete's silence on the matter pisses me off. Again, it's incredibly hypocritical. Maybe he believes what he did in 2020 was wrong, so he won't do it again? But all I know is I have very little faith in them turning this around on offense. I also believe 1000% that Pete won't be held accountable for it, and the ire in Seattle amongst fans and media will all circle around fire Waldron. I've seen enough new OC's to know that won't do shit for this offense.

Pretty ironic that our fav college team is Literally (yes I said literally) light years ahead of our fav Pro team offensively....

[Donn Beach]

I believe Bill belichick is more open and honest with the press than Pete Carroll. You watch and listen to Pete at a presser, I think the intention is to not let a thing slip out that might be of value

[D-train]

I believe Bill belichick is more open and honest with the press than Pete Carroll. You watch and listen to Pete at a presser, I think the intention is to not let a thing slip out that might be of value

Just saw that BB is like 85-92 without Brady.

[Michael K.]

I believe Bill belichick is more open and honest with the press than Pete Carroll. You watch and listen to Pete at a presser, I think the intention is to not let a thing slip out that might be of value

He lets plenty slip. Again, Russ handled it poorly, but Pete was openly critical of him late in his career here. He should be doing to same for Geno. By giving him a pass you are basically pointing the finger of a shitty offense at everyone else. I have always thought it was funny that a coach needs to "protect the QB". They will talk about protection, they will talk about mistakes in the run game, they will talk about getting on the same page with WRs or about drops...but heaven forbid you point out that the QB is making stupid fucking decisions or completing a low percentage of passes or checking down in long yardage situations, throwing long in short yardage situations or basically just not making correct read.

Everyone says "he is protecting his QB", yet they do it by blaming everyone else. Are QBs that fucking fragile? Rip on the entire team, but by God, if the QB is 13 of 28 for 157 yards with 0 TDs and a pick!? If the QB has more turnovers than TDs in the last three games? Best not point that out. If your OC and QB are leading one of the worst offenses in football on third down and in the RedZone? Best not point that out.

Bullshit. It wouldn't fly in a lot of place, but her in Latte Town? One ring gives you the keys to the fucking city. Thank God Jack Patera never won a ring....he'd have died on the sidelines before we got rid of him!

[douche]

The incredibly unimaginative run game floors me

The incredibly unimaginative everything floors me. And I think Donn is right when he says that Carroll doesn't want to offer anything of value to the press. Although he will unabashedly tell anyone who will listen (including the opposition) that he wants to run the ball.

I also think Michael is correct when he says that Pete threw away the dynasty. At the very least, a potential one. It's unfortunate.

[Michael K.]

I believe Bill belichick is more open and honest with the press than Pete Carroll. You watch and listen to Pete at a presser, I think the intention is to not let a thing slip out that might be of value

Just saw that BB is like 85-92 without Brady.

There was a time that wasn't the case. When Brady was suspended for 4 games? I believe they went 3 and 1. I believe they won 10 games the year Brady blew his knee. He was a great coach, but sometimes? The games changes and it does so without you changing with it. Brady was able to mask a lot of issues I am sure. I also know that he took less money, allowing them to spend elsewhere. Well? Isn't Mac Jones on a rookie deal? How does having a QB on a rookie deal mean your defense is so devoid of talent you give up 70 points?

The Patriot way is very much different than Pete Carroll's way. Sure seems like no one likes to play that way. Read some of the shit being said about Josh McDaniel? Very similar to Matt Patricia and others from Bill's tree. It doesn't work anymore, because players don't respond to that. They aren't close to as tough as they used to be. Hell, I would promise you they would vote what ever other terms there are on the next deal if the League increased the salary cap, reduced practices and took away a Pre Season game. These players would LEAP at it...even if it said Goodell had total control and could make conjugal visits to their wives when ever he wanted!

IMO, that loosey goosey players coach style that Pete has is the only reason he still has success. It isn't because we just flat out X and O everyone. The league has adjusted to our PlayAction bootleg, they are no longer fooled by ANYTHING we do in the run game, and they have figured out if they take those two things away? Geno will make enough mistakes they can stay in the game. Imagine if the Giants could protect the QB, if the Browns defense could hold onto one of the two INTs they dropped, if the Cards had any semblance of a run game or if T Lock doesn't make a great grab in OT against the Lions? I realize most all games are close in the NFL, but we've been curb stomped twice, and many of our wins are damn near fifty fifty.

If something doesn't change on offense I see a collapse very similar to last year.

[D-train]

[Michael K.]

He's not wrong. Latte Town is a pretty sweet gig for some of these guys. Hell, it's were you only need to win 54% of the time, and if you don't get that you should, and you should just appreciate what you have!

You know how many times in here I read "we could be Cleveland". or, "do you want Russ back"? How about when Sark left and we were going to suck. Seven Sarkisian leaves and a couple years later we are in a Final 4. Then he leaves and we should just be happy with Jimmy Lake!? How has it gone since Jimmy left? Had Jimmy never shoved that kid we'd still be paying him to run his mouth about how he might only win five or six a year, but he sure owns the Air Raid. Then he'd hire an OC to wear "Run the Damn Ball" to a press conference to ensure that no QB or WR recruits every want to come here. BUT? We'd still be reading puff pieces about him and celebrating the 91 team.

The truth is Pete destroyed a Dynasty. Of course he didn't mean to, and no...I am not saying that second and goal should have destroyed a dynasty. But how he handled it did. Always ComPete only applied to some. Still does. Our offense will always be this way, and it doesn't matter which OC he brings in next. He would get called out for that anywhere else. Not here. He won a ring 11 years ago....so he is the greatest ever.

Again, I agree that he totally has his strengths. But his biggest weakness is why this team ONLY has one ring, and is also why I don't think they will ever win another.

[Michael K.]

What sucks this year, is most of the crow eating that needs to be done is about shit that aint happening. I just new K 9 and Charbonnett would be a dynamic backfield duo. I was positive that Jamal Adams would be a terror on this defense if he could just stay healthy. I was certain that Waldron was the guy for the job, that his creativity in LA would translate over there. Goff was great in the play action. The Rams were one of the best offenses in football when Gurley was there, and they did it in a very balanced way. The run game though? Was so creative. It looks like he only brought one page of the run game playbook with him! I was positive we had the right upgrades up front on defense, especially after we made a move at the trade deadline.

It blows me away that Spoon can be as good as he is, that Bobby seems to drink from the fountain of youth and that J Reed is such a big impact player, and we still aren't really a very good defense unless we are playing a dogshit offense like AZ or NYG. I had high hopes for this season. My only fear was that we would get this Geno. Too bad that is the only thing I was remotely right about. The bright side is we are 5 and 3. The problem is I don't think we have one signature win besides maybe the come back down in Detroit in week 2. Losing to the Rams was bad though. Losing to the Bengals despite their offense not doing Jack is bad, and getting completely curb stomped by the Ravens is a real bad sign.

The Ravens are damn good, and are extremely hot right now. But my God, we looked so fucking bad. One week after getting crushed by the Ravens, the Lions beat the hapless Raiders 26 to 14. I think Washington is better than the Raiders, but let's hope we can also right the ship. I wish I had a ton of confidence they would, but right now I don't.