Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

[D-train]

Morosi makes no sense here, India is a weaker hitting 2nd baseman the we have already and poor defense. We passed on FA SS that were better. I just don’t see it.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1770796/ ... ch-garver/

Morosi has lost all credibility almost as fast as Jerry this off season

[Pharmabro]

Wander Franco on the run

So he could have had 100 hot 18 year old GFs but decided to flush his entire life because he wanted one that was under age. Beyond belief.

When I travel I tend to play it safe. But, I did talk to some dudes that went out for the night clubbing. One of the things they communicated to me was that they didn't really care about age. And I also read in the comments section when this story was breaking out that some of the folks were from the D.R. and they have seen this before. I could not tell you if they knew about mothers using daughters who developed early (precocious puberty), to snare older dudes for bribery, or what. But, I don't think the baseball player was posing as a teacher to gain access to minors. I think he was at a local bar and he was probably set-up and he allowed himself to be tricked into this.


What a shame, I wonder if this has an impact on the rumored talks between Seattle and TB about: Randy A., Harold R., Yandy D., Isaac P., etc, etc
You know there is a window here for a block-buster scenario for a TB match-up.

I was looking at Randy A. at 33M in value and Harold R@ 1.5M trade calc.

Harold R (DH, OF, 1B) over the last 2 years has had a mini breakout .306 .348 .432 .780 121 OPS+(High average but low ISO and walk rate) but is only estimated at 4.4M in his 2nd to last Arbitration year.

Randy A. had 3.5 WAR and a 120 OPS+ last year. He has trended down with the bat for 3 years in a row. But he has a track record of being a good but not great player. He has 3 years remaining of arbitration and is earning 9M for 2024

Luke Raley (1B, OF) This may be why a guy like Harold, or Randy or Yandy, or Paredes is available is because you have good young cheap options and the Rays have been cheap for years. At age 28 he busted out for a 249 .333 .490 .824 126 OPS+ line in 118 games after smoking the minors for years. (MLB trade calc. 10M)

Paredes: 131 OPS+, He only has an 18% career K-rate and is entering his age 25 season. 60M trade calc

I could see a Randy and Harold deal coming together for Woo, Gabe G., and 2 or 3 Lotto tickets form the top 15-30 ranked prospects in out system. I feel pretty good about our top 5(JP, Julio, Garver, Cal, France) This trade would cut the question marks in 1/2. And Picking 2 of (Rojas, Moore, Haggerty, Urias, Marlow, TT, Jose C., or Canzone to fill the last 2 would be ok by me.

Randy A., and Harold R. would add about 13.4M for 2024, and with good performance about 22-25M for 2025. I saw that someone though with all the moves they had something like 30-35M before Garver to spend. This puts us at 25.4M and leaves 5-10M on the table. I's be pretty happy with adding one of the guys like (Paxton, Ryu, maybe Montas on a make-good).

Just some idle ramblings.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/ ... oning.html

[Pharmabro]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/ ... oning.html

Ho wowser! It looks like this was not a one time mistake of getting tricked. There is apparently 2 more girls that came forward with the same story. And now he has refused to report when summoned. Franco might be done.

[Pharmabro]

Morosi makes no sense here, India is a weaker hitting 2nd baseman the we have already and poor defense. We passed on FA SS that were better. I just don’t see it.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1770796/ ... ch-garver/

I love that the Reds and their fans don't really see a spot for India to play but then this ass-clown is like "if the M's want a player like India they may have to part with their young pitching."

What an unbelievable overpay for one that the M's have depth at.

[D-train]

Morosi makes no sense here, India is a weaker hitting 2nd baseman the we have already and poor defense. We passed on FA SS that were better. I just don’t see it.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1770796/ ... ch-garver/

I love that the Reds and their fans don't really see a spot for India to play but then this ass-clown is like "if the M's want a player like India they may have to part with their young pitching."

What an unbelievable overpay for one that the M's have depth at.

There are about a half dozen OFers that make perfect sense given they have big bats and he goes with a weak hitting 2B. He should change his name to MoreBSi

[ice99]

Wander Franco on the run

So he could have had 100 hot 18 year old GFs but decided to flush his entire life because he wanted one that was under age. Beyond belief.

When I travel I tend to play it safe. But, I did talk to some dudes that went out for the night clubbing. One of the things they communicated to me was that they didn't really care about age. And I also read in the comments section when this story was breaking out that some of the folks were from the D.R. and they have seen this before. I could not tell you if they knew about mothers using daughters who developed early (precocious puberty), to snare older dudes for bribery, or what. But, I don't think the baseball player was posing as a teacher to gain access to minors. I think he was at a local bar and he was probably set-up and he allowed himself to be tricked into this.


What a shame, I wonder if this has an impact on the rumored talks between Seattle and TB about: Randy A., Harold R., Yandy D., Isaac P., etc, etc
You know there is a window here for a block-buster scenario for a TB match-up.

I was looking at Randy A. at 33M in value and Harold R@ 1.5M trade calc.

Harold R (DH, OF, 1B) over the last 2 years has had a mini breakout .306 .348 .432 .780 121 OPS+(High average but low ISO and walk rate) but is only estimated at 4.4M in his 2nd to last Arbitration year.

Randy A. had 3.5 WAR and a 120 OPS+ last year. He has trended down with the bat for 3 years in a row. But he has a track record of being a good but not great player. He has 3 years remaining of arbitration and is earning 9M for 2024

Luke Raley (1B, OF) This may be why a guy like Harold, or Randy or Yandy, or Paredes is available is because you have good young cheap options and the Rays have been cheap for years. At age 28 he busted out for a 249 .333 .490 .824 126 OPS+ line in 118 games after smoking the minors for years. (MLB trade calc. 10M)

Paredes: 131 OPS+, He only has an 18% career K-rate and is entering his age 25 season. 60M trade calc

I could see a Randy and Harold deal coming together for Woo, Gabe G., and 2 or 3 Lotto tickets form the top 15-30 ranked prospects in out system. I feel pretty good about our top 5(JP, Julio, Garver, Cal, France) This trade would cut the question marks in 1/2. And Picking 2 of (Rojas, Moore, Haggerty, Urias, Marlow, TT, Jose C., or Canzone to fill the last 2 would be ok by me.

Randy A., and Harold R. would add about 13.4M for 2024, and with good performance about 22-25M for 2025. I saw that someone though with all the moves they had something like 30-35M before Garver to spend. This puts us at 25.4M and leaves 5-10M on the table. I's be pretty happy with adding one of the guys like (Paxton, Ryu, maybe Montas on a make-good).

Just some idle ramblings.

The current 26 man payroll is something like $124 million per Cot's.

So maybe sign Snell with salaries of $10 M, $35M, $35M, $26M, $25M, and $28M option w/ $3M buyout.
$5M of year 2 and year 3 both deferred by 5 years.
Partial no-trade clause.
Can opt out any year after year 2. If he opts out after year 2 only, he gets $6M, other years he doesn't get extra for opting out.

Trade Miller or Woo for Arozarena, with the Rays, and the M's getting back $5 Million.

Sign a closer type, or trade for one. Maybe trade Marlowe or Trammel, plus Alberto Rodriguez for Hunter Harvey.

So $124M + $10M + $4M (Arozarena) + $2M (Hunter Harvey) = $140 M.

If Snell is unwilling to go that low for a first year, maybe work with Ty France to get $3 M more room for 2024.

France arb salary projection is $7.2 M. His salary projection (per the trade values site) is $18 M over 2 years. So maybe sign France to a 2 year contract for $4M, $12.5M, with an third year option of $20M with a $3M buyout. Essentially splitting his salary between 2024 and the end of 2025 as a buyout. To compensate him, they give him more than the $11 M projected by the trade values site in his second year, for the deferrment.

[harmony]

A podcast proposes Luis Castillo trades:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQU7S5FZkmk

[ice99]

So he could have had 100 hot 18 year old GFs but decided to flush his entire life because he wanted one that was under age. Beyond belief.

When I travel I tend to play it safe. But, I did talk to some dudes that went out for the night clubbing. One of the things they communicated to me was that they didn't really care about age. And I also read in the comments section when this story was breaking out that some of the folks were from the D.R. and they have seen this before. I could not tell you if they knew about mothers using daughters who developed early (precocious puberty), to snare older dudes for bribery, or what. But, I don't think the baseball player was posing as a teacher to gain access to minors. I think he was at a local bar and he was probably set-up and he allowed himself to be tricked into this.


What a shame, I wonder if this has an impact on the rumored talks between Seattle and TB about: Randy A., Harold R., Yandy D., Isaac P., etc, etc
You know there is a window here for a block-buster scenario for a TB match-up.

I was looking at Randy A. at 33M in value and Harold R@ 1.5M trade calc.

Harold R (DH, OF, 1B) over the last 2 years has had a mini breakout .306 .348 .432 .780 121 OPS+(High average but low ISO and walk rate) but is only estimated at 4.4M in his 2nd to last Arbitration year.

Randy A. had 3.5 WAR and a 120 OPS+ last year. He has trended down with the bat for 3 years in a row. But he has a track record of being a good but not great player. He has 3 years remaining of arbitration and is earning 9M for 2024

Luke Raley (1B, OF) This may be why a guy like Harold, or Randy or Yandy, or Paredes is available is because you have good young cheap options and the Rays have been cheap for years. At age 28 he busted out for a 249 .333 .490 .824 126 OPS+ line in 118 games after smoking the minors for years. (MLB trade calc. 10M)

Paredes: 131 OPS+, He only has an 18% career K-rate and is entering his age 25 season. 60M trade calc

I could see a Randy and Harold deal coming together for Woo, Gabe G., and 2 or 3 Lotto tickets form the top 15-30 ranked prospects in out system. I feel pretty good about our top 5(JP, Julio, Garver, Cal, France) This trade would cut the question marks in 1/2. And Picking 2 of (Rojas, Moore, Haggerty, Urias, Marlow, TT, Jose C., or Canzone to fill the last 2 would be ok by me.

Randy A., and Harold R. would add about 13.4M for 2024, and with good performance about 22-25M for 2025. I saw that someone though with all the moves they had something like 30-35M before Garver to spend. This puts us at 25.4M and leaves 5-10M on the table. I's be pretty happy with adding one of the guys like (Paxton, Ryu, maybe Montas on a make-good).

Just some idle ramblings.

The current 26 man payroll is something like $124 million per Cot's.

So maybe sign Snell with salaries of $10 M, $35M, $35M, $26M, $25M, and $28M option w/ $3M buyout.
$5M of year 2 and year 3 both deferred by 5 years.
Partial no-trade clause.
Can opt out any year after year 2. If he opts out after year 2 only, he gets $6M, other years he doesn't get extra for opting out.

Trade Miller or Woo for Arozarena, with the Rays, and the M's getting back $5 Million.

Sign a closer type, or trade for one. Maybe trade Marlowe or Trammel, plus Alberto Rodriguez for Hunter Harvey.

So $124M + $10M + $4M (Arozarena) + $2M (Hunter Harvey) = $140 M.

If Snell is unwilling to go that low for a first year, maybe work with Ty France to get $3 M more room for 2024.

France arb salary projection is $7.2 M. His salary projection (per the trade values site) is $18 M over 2 years. So maybe sign France to a 2 year contract for $4M, $12.5M, with an third year option of $20M with a $3M buyout. Essentially splitting his salary between 2024 and the end of 2025 as a buyout. To compensate him, they give him more than the $11 M projected by the trade values site in his second year, for the deferrment.

Maybe if they can do a $150 M payroll, then do Snell with a $25M first year with $5 M deferred, then adjust the rest of the contract.

The extra $3M to squeeze out of France's contract you can use to get a better closer/setup type than Hunter Harvey.

[Donn Beach]

I think they are probably shy of the long term commitment as much as this seasons salary restrictions

[D-train]

I think they are probably shy of the long term commitment as much as this seasons salary restrictions

Yeah the uncertainty isn't just for 2024.