Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:21 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:30 am
Oh nooooooooooooooooooo!

I just was scanning along on Twitter and I saw a post from Ty Dane Gonzalez
It is ridiculous. Garver is the DH and France is the 1B
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by harmony » Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:39 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:21 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:30 am
Oh nooooooooooooooooooo!

I just was scanning along on Twitter and I saw a post from Ty Dane Gonzalez
It is ridiculous. Garver is the DH and France is the 1B
Unless the Mariners trade two years of Ty France to Minnesota for one year of rightfielder Max Kepler:

https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/657 ... nt-1353194

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:13 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:39 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:21 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:30 am
Oh nooooooooooooooooooo!

I just was scanning along on Twitter and I saw a post from Ty Dane Gonzalez
It is ridiculous. Garver is the DH and France is the 1B
Unless the Mariners trade two years of Ty France to Minnesota for one year of rightfielder Max Kepler:

https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/657 ... nt-1353194
It is amazing that people suggest trades with ZERO regard for the other team.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by harmony » Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:32 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:13 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:39 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:21 pm


It is ridiculous. Garver is the DH and France is the 1B
Unless the Mariners trade two years of Ty France to Minnesota for one year of rightfielder Max Kepler:

https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/657 ... nt-1353194
It is amazing that people suggest trades with ZERO regard for the other team.
Alex Kirilloff is already arbitration eligible after accruing 0.5 fWAR (total!) over his first three MLB seasons:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/alex- ... tion=1B/OF

The 26-year-old Kirilloff has played only 192 MLB games over three seasons while missing 256 days to injuries:

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/minnesota-t ... /injuries/

In November Twins PBO Derek Falvey was quoted: "With AK and with potential external additions, it'll probably be an area we do spend some time this offseason from free agent or trade perspective."

https://www.startribune.com/twins-off-s ... fresh=true

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by harmony » Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:07 pm

Podcaster Robbie Hyde proposes a trade of Bryan Woo, Cade Marlowe and Alberto Rodriguez to Tampa Bay for Randy Arozarena:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws6upacygjc

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by ice99 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:19 pm
What would the two part White Sox Rays Trades look like?

WS trade.JPG

rays trade.JPG
The trade valuation on Bryce Miller seems a little low. Zips has Bryce Miller's projection for 2023 at 2.3 WAR in only 139 innings. You have 6 years of that vs. 3 years of 3 ish WAR on Arozarena.

Bryce Miller has been working on a splitter. It might not amount to anything, but Miller is still developing.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-zips-p ... -mariners/

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:57 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:07 pm
Podcaster Robbie Hyde proposes a trade of Bryan Woo, Cade Marlowe and Alberto Rodriguez to Tampa Bay for Randy Arozarena:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws6upacygjc
Seems about right.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:58 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 4:32 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:13 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:39 pm

Unless the Mariners trade two years of Ty France to Minnesota for one year of rightfielder Max Kepler:

https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/657 ... nt-1353194
It is amazing that people suggest trades with ZERO regard for the other team.
Alex Kirilloff is already arbitration eligible after accruing 0.5 fWAR (total!) over his first three MLB seasons:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/alex- ... tion=1B/OF

The 26-year-old Kirilloff has played only 192 MLB games over three seasons while missing 256 days to injuries:

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/minnesota-t ... /injuries/

In November Twins PBO Derek Falvey was quoted: "With AK and with potential external additions, it'll probably be an area we do spend some time this offseason from free agent or trade perspective."

https://www.startribune.com/twins-off-s ... fresh=true
Wake me up when the twins trade for a 1B.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:59 pm

ice99 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:19 pm
What would the two part White Sox Rays Trades look like?

WS trade.JPG

rays trade.JPG
The trade valuation on Bryce Miller seems a little low. Zips has Bryce Miller's projection for 2023 at 2.3 WAR in only 139 innings. You have 6 years of that vs. 3 years of 3 ish WAR on Arozarena.

Bryce Miller has been working on a splitter. It might not amount to anything, but Miller is still developing.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-zips-p ... -mariners/
Don't disagree but the Rays won't give us Randy without Miller or Woo imo
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by ice99 » Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:14 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:59 pm
ice99 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 5:21 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:19 pm
What would the two part White Sox Rays Trades look like?

WS trade.JPG

rays trade.JPG
The trade valuation on Bryce Miller seems a little low. Zips has Bryce Miller's projection for 2023 at 2.3 WAR in only 139 innings. You have 6 years of that vs. 3 years of 3 ish WAR on Arozarena.

Bryce Miller has been working on a splitter. It might not amount to anything, but Miller is still developing.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-zips-p ... -mariners/
Don't disagree but the Rays won't give us Randy without Miller or Woo imo
I agree. I'm not saying that they'll give up Arozarena without Miller or Woo. I'm just saying they probably don't need to add another prospect.

Without a trade, Randy plays LF, Railey or Baines plays DH, the other on the bench. With a trade Railey and Baines plays LF and DH. The Rays offense isn't taking that much of a hit, plus their getting SP, with some savings of the $9M, depending if they want to pay any of that.

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