Luke Raley for Jose C

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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:10 pm

Morrison always battled consistency. He'd make swing adjustments and get everyone excited
Until this point, Morrison has served as a solid left-handed platoon option at first for all three teams for which he has played. But, Tampa Bay has given him starts in 43 of their 53 games this season, including in 23 of 25 games in May. And, all Morrison has done is produce.

The 29-year-old has 197 plate appearances this year, and he’s slashing .251/.350/.557 with 14 home runs and 35 RBIs. His 141 wRC+ would be the best of his career. It ranks 22nd in the Majors among qualified hitters. On top of that, he’s already been worth more fWAR this season (1.5) than in any other full year to date.
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by bpj » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:07 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:46 pm
Morrison was a big white guy that hit left handed so they share that in common but he only put up 3.9 WAR in almost 4k PAs.

Raley put up 2.5 WAR in 406 last season.

Morrison put up 3.0 of that WAR as a 29 year old in Tampa Bay getting 600 PA, but bombed the rest of his career.

Pretty much exactly what the concern is with Raley. Morrison put up -0.6 bWAR across his three final seasons after that year in Tampa.

I remember I had about the same hopes for Morrison when he first got here as we do with Raley. He had similar versatility, a little speed, and some upside. His good year just came later.

Obviously Raley's his own man and won't follow Morrisons path, but I dont think it's a bad comp. Both players are very top-heavy on a single season at the moment.

Maybe it is just a playing time thing, but that seems very chicken/egg- Did his results go down because his plate appearances slowed down, or did his playing time go down because the returns fell off?

I dont know, but the Rays traded him off for peanuts, so their position seems pretty clear imo. Doesn't mean the Rays are right, but they seem pretty sure he's a platoon guy, at the very least.

No reason Raley is stuck on Morrison's path. Hopefully the similarities end with the one career season in TB at 29 years old.

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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by bpj » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:08 pm

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Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:19 pm
Ok, how about if Raley puts up 3+ WAR this season you guarantee you are there in 2025? :)
Sounds like a great plan to me :D

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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by D-train » Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:12 pm

Believe me, I would MUCH rather have Bellinger than Raley but since we have to beg for a piece a bread, every piece we get is going to have a little mold on it. I think we got one of the least moldy pieces out there and maybe it turns into a nice rib eye steak. :)
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by bpj » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:22 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:12 pm
Believe me, I would MUCH rather have Bellinger than Raley but since we have to beg for a piece a bread, every piece we get is going to have a little mold on it. I think we got one of the least moldy pieces out there and maybe it turns into a nice rib eye steak. :)
Yep, that's a good point!

There's still a chance they come out looking like they did when Kelenic played a solo game of kick the can.

They were on fire until he came back.

I think there's a decent chance we finally have an Up year where enough guys put it together at the right time to sneak into the playoffs and let their shut down pitching go to work.

Would be fun to take a look at what the win numbers might look like if the majority of these guys have good seasons.

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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by D-train » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:50 pm

bpj wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:22 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:12 pm
Believe me, I would MUCH rather have Bellinger than Raley but since we have to beg for a piece a bread, every piece we get is going to have a little mold on it. I think we got one of the least moldy pieces out there and maybe it turns into a nice rib eye steak. :)
Yep, that's a good point!

There's still a chance they come out looking like they did when Kelenic played a solo game of kick the can.

They were on fire until he came back.

I think there's a decent chance we finally have an Up year where enough guys put it together at the right time to sneak into the playoffs and let their shut down pitching go to work.

Would be fun to take a look at what the win numbers might look like if the majority of these guys have good seasons.
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:17 am

Garver seems low with 500+ PAs, interesting they have haniger with 546. Don't think he gets that many even if he stays healthy does he? 1.1 WAR is discouraging but probably a good guess. Canzone seems correct with 189 PAs.

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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by D-train » Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:41 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:17 am
Garver seems low with 500+ PAs, interesting they have haniger with 546. Don't think he gets that many even if he stays healthy does he? 1.1 WAR is discouraging but probably a good guess. Canzone seems correct with 189 PAs.
Yes agree on all 3 points. I have Haniger and Canzone getting more of a 50/50 split. Of course it will depend on Health and performance. Both which likely favor Canzone given his youth and the fact that his body hasn't seemingly been through a meat grinder the past 5 years.
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by ice99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:47 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:27 am
I think we could be done. And we are something like 20 or 30 million dollar lower in payroll than last year.
Lineup
1. JP* SS 131 OPS+
2. Julio CF 136 OPS+
3. Raley* OF 126 OPS+
4. Garver DH 134 OPS+
5. Cal** C 116 OPS+
6. Ty 1B 115 OPS+
7. Mitch H OF 121 OPS+ ( His Mariner years plus 2023)
8. Urias 3B 106 OPS+ (His last 3 years combined)
9. Rojas* 2B 103 OPS+

Bench C Seby Z , Moore 101 OPS+, Haggerty 111 OPS+(Last 2 years), Best lefty out of ( Marlow, Calzone, TT, Packard, and DeLoach)

You know other than health questions on Mitch, and Mitch it looks pretty solid on paper. Roster Resource has TT as the 4th OF. Is it because he is out of Options? You have three bounce back guys( France should be good, Urias has the 2nd best odds, and Seby is a long shot)

With my rose colored glasses I can make myself optimistic enough I guess.

And Luke R. He was on nearly a 30HR/20SB pace for 600 PAs.
I know I mentioned he slumped his last 2 months but, his last 7 games he heated back up:
.267 .421 .600 1.021
Garver sees more pitches than Raley, and is probably a better hitter, giving a chance for the basestealers.

1. JP* SS
2. Julio CF
3. Garver DH
4. Raley* OF
5. Ty 1B
6. Cal** C
7. Mitch H OF
8. Urias 3B
9. Rojas* 2B

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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C

Post by D-train » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:57 pm

ice99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:47 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:27 am
I think we could be done. And we are something like 20 or 30 million dollar lower in payroll than last year.
Lineup
1. JP* SS 131 OPS+
2. Julio CF 136 OPS+
3. Raley* OF 126 OPS+
4. Garver DH 134 OPS+
5. Cal** C 116 OPS+
6. Ty 1B 115 OPS+
7. Mitch H OF 121 OPS+ ( His Mariner years plus 2023)
8. Urias 3B 106 OPS+ (His last 3 years combined)
9. Rojas* 2B 103 OPS+

Bench C Seby Z , Moore 101 OPS+, Haggerty 111 OPS+(Last 2 years), Best lefty out of ( Marlow, Calzone, TT, Packard, and DeLoach)

You know other than health questions on Mitch, and Mitch it looks pretty solid on paper. Roster Resource has TT as the 4th OF. Is it because he is out of Options? You have three bounce back guys( France should be good, Urias has the 2nd best odds, and Seby is a long shot)

With my rose colored glasses I can make myself optimistic enough I guess.

And Luke R. He was on nearly a 30HR/20SB pace for 600 PAs.
I know I mentioned he slumped his last 2 months but, his last 7 games he heated back up:
.267 .421 .600 1.021
Garver sees more pitches than Raley, and is probably a better hitter, giving a chance for the basestealers.

1. JP* SS
2. Julio CF
3. Garver DH
4. Raley* OF
5. Ty 1B
6. Cal** C
7. Mitch H OF
8. Urias 3B
9. Rojas* 2B
I like yours better but prob flip Rojas and Urias because he hit better last season and to keep the L/R/L thing going
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