Mariners acquire Jorge Polanco from the Twins!!!!!

[D-train]

This is 91 wins. I am not seeing anything agregious here other than if Polanco only plays 80 games again he isn't putting up 2.9 WAR. But other than that it seems more conservative than optimistic...

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[bpj]

This is 91 wins. I am not seeing anything agregious here other than if Polanco only plays 80 games again he isn't putting up 2.9 WAR. But other than that it seems more conservative than optimistic...

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If WAR translated into actual wins I don't think there would be a problem.

But last season, Julio, Cal, J.P., Ty, Teo, and Suarez accounted for 21 WAR by themselves and it still didn't mean much to the record.

Guess we'll see, but the lineup seems average at best.

Which, maybe that's good enough with our pitching. I just doubt it, personally.

[bpj]

These were the 2023 ZIPS projections:

[D-train]

This is 91 wins. I am not seeing anything agregious here other than if Polanco only plays 80 games again he isn't putting up 2.9 WAR. But other than that it seems more conservative than optimistic...

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If WAR translated into actual wins I don't think there would be a problem.

But last season, Julio, Cal, J.P., Ty, Teo, and Suarez accounted for 21 WAR by themselves and it still didn't mean much to the record.

Guess we'll see, but the lineup seems average at best.

Which, maybe that's good enough with our pitching. I just doubt it, personally.

Hmm I wonder if it has to do with all the bogus WAR for hitting at T Mobile.

Last season they put up 46 WAR which should have been 94 wins. Pythag was 91 wins and actual was 88 wins. I guess we need to win about 75% of 1 run games again...

[Donn Beach]

This is 91 wins. I am not seeing anything agregious here other than if Polanco only plays 80 games again he isn't putting up 2.9 WAR. But other than that it seems more conservative than optimistic...

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There's no negative WAR. That's what kills you. Get a few guys actually cratering cratering. Urias 1.3 WAR seems quite doable but -1.3 WAR seems quite doable as well

[D-train]

This is 91 wins. I am not seeing anything agregious here other than if Polanco only plays 80 games again he isn't putting up 2.9 WAR. But other than that it seems more conservative than optimistic...

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There's no negative WAR. That's what kills you. Get a few guys actually cratering cratering. Urias 1.3 WAR seems quite doable but -1.3 WAR seems quite doable as well

I am STUNNED our position players put up 26 WAR last season. There was a lot of negative WAR.

[bpj]

I think WAR is a cute little game on paper, but doesn't mean much in practice.

Taking a look at the correlation coefficients, WAR only has a .674 correlation to Runs scored.

More meaningful than a few stats, but it's still a pretty weak correlation compared to adding OPS (.971) or even just SLG (.961), which both quite obviously result in scoring more.

That's obviously because players get WAR from things that don't make the offense better, which is all we actually need.

Preventing runs doesn't help us beat the opponent. It only helps you not get beat. There's a difference, because at some point you still have to put runs across the plate.

[Sexymarinersfan]

I think WAR is a cute little game on paper, but doesn't mean much in practice.

Taking a look at the correlation coefficients, WAR only has a .674 correlation to Runs scored.

More meaningful than a few stats, but it's still a pretty weak correlation compared to adding OPS (.971) or even just SLG (.961), which both quite obviously result in scoring more.

That's obviously because players get WAR from things that don't make the offense better, which is all we actually need.

Preventing runs doesn't help us beat the opponent. It only helps you not get beat. There's a difference, because at some point you still have to put runs across the plate.

And that has been this team's biggest problem, scoring runs. From the players that we've acquired, it looks as though we've managed to cut down on the strikeouts significantly. I wonder how much that will have an effect on this team's offense?

[Donn Beach]

Preventing runs doesn't help us beat the opponent

The more run prevention the less runs are required to beat an opponent. Zero run prevention would require an infinite amount of runs. Not sure how that's not helpful

[bpj]

Preventing runs doesn't help us beat the opponent

The more run prevention the less runs are required to beat an opponent. Zero run prevention would require an infinite amount of runs. Not sure how that's not helpful

Can't defend against the homerun.

And defense seems to save runs a lot more often when it's meaningless than when it impacts a game.