Another assassination attempt

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Do you mean the federal gov should stay out of it? I 100% agree with that. I am 100% pro choice and absolutely want states dictating this based on their citizens wants and needs. Cal is not the same as Texas, Utah is not the same as washington - let the states decide - keep the feds out of this - less big government.

You mentioned public safety - but you are completely silent on the border situation which is a huuuuuge public safety issue. Where is your outrage at the staggering mishandling of the border? You have yet to explain how 15 million people entering illegally - under biden / harris open border policy - is fair to the us tax payer? It is creating a crime epidemic - yet you cannot explain why they are allowing this - seemingly encouraging it - but you claim to be for public safety and- literally - this is one of the biggest issues in the country. Why are you not condemning their open border policy? Have you seen what's happening in Colorado? Wait, is CNN not reporting on it? Why are you voting for open borders? No other country has that - it's almost like they are intentionally trying to destroy the country. Where is your outrage?

This may be too logical for him to understand.

Hey now!

The border -- no I'm not happy with it. And I think Harris would just as soon ignore it because it's a huge blemish on the current administration. I just don't think that the Trump record was as fantastic as his supporters say it was. I think if you look at statistics, you find that there are A LOT more people trying to get across the past 4 years (obviously that is Harris's fault), and a lot more people have been detained and sent back. I have talked with some on the left who are NOT happy with Biden's tough (they see it as inhumane) handing of the border. Go figure.

In short, Trump talks tougher on the border, but neither candidate has a solution IMO.

This is the reason I call you dense to the left.

Believe me, if Trumps claims about the boarder were not as good as he says they are, the left (Harris) would be jumping all over it. Why, because right now, all she has is the lie that Trump will sign a National Ban on abortions and want to kill women in order to save the baby.
That's it. That's all she has. PERIOD!!!!

She can't claim the economy
She can't claim safe streets
She can't claim anything international
She can't claim military support

She is a fucking train-wreck in every possible way. So all she can do is to make outlandish claims about what she "wants Trump to have said".

But no doubt, you will keep leaning and voting left because that's what you know from your California days......or you just can't understand that this country (with abortion or not) is going downhill extremely fast.

Please, don't be a single-issue voter. Think about what would be best for everyone.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and listen to women, scientists and doctors on abortion...

Not old, religious white men thank you very much.

"Just fly" is also not a solution. Flying is not an option for everyone financially. And it's still illegal if the state says it's so and it's found out.

SoB's going to listen to the people who think men can be women.

There's no helping these lunatics.

And you're going to listen to what you think an ancient holy book written by bronze-age nomads in the Middle East says.

There's no helping these lunatics.

Interesting, and what's your opinion on Islam?

[bpj]

SoB's going to listen to the people who think men can be women.

There's no helping these lunatics.

And you're going to listen to what you think an ancient holy book written by bronze-age nomads in the Middle East says.

There's no helping these lunatics.

Interesting, and what's your opinion on Islam?

That's an interesting question for everybody.

I don't know enough about Islam to comment.

I do know they believe Jesus was a great prophet, unlike at least one other religion that believes Jesus was a heretic that's boiling in human excrement.

The problem is people look at single things like "Mohammed married a 9 year old" and are obviously repulsed.

At the same time, you don't have to read too far into the Bible until you read about two daughters getting their dad drunk and raping him to get themselves pregnant.

There are parts of all religions that raise many questions.

Which is why religion in the hands of low IQ people, can be a weapon, imo.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

And you're going to listen to what you think an ancient holy book written by bronze-age nomads in the Middle East says.

There's no helping these lunatics.

Interesting, and what's your opinion on Islam?

That's an interesting question for everybody.

I don't know enough about Islam to comment.

I do know they believe Jesus was a great prophet, unlike at least one other religion that believes Jesus was a heretic that's boiling in human excrement.

The problem is people look at single things like "Mohammed married a 9 year old" and are obviously repulsed.

At the same time, you don't have to read too far into the Bible until you read about two daughters getting their dad drunk and raping him to get themselves pregnant.

There are parts of all religions that raise many questions.

Which is why religion in the hands of low IQ people, can be a weapon, imo.

That may be your most lucid and intelligent thing ever said.

[bpj]

Because I don't take my information from an ancient holy book?

But instead rely on what's observable...

This is why I'm not a deranged conservative...

Your side thinks men can be women.

It's not that hard to see which side is insane.

And your side is made up of people who think a Jewish Rabbi that lived 2,000 years ago was a God who created the heavens and the earth. And you believe that based on writing that took place 70-100 years after his supposed existence

Not only that... but you let that story control and think other people should be controlled by it too.

It's not that hard to see which side is insane.

Parts of the Bible were written long before Jesus lived. Parts were written after. Christians believe His life fulfilled the prophecies in the earlier parts of the Bible. Jews don't, and they reject the majority of the Bible.

Jesus is one of the most easily verifiable people to have ever lived, recorded in thousands of different types of historical texts.

Once I realized Jesus 100% existed, I started looking into it all a little more, you're absolutely correct.

These Middle Eastern people have lived the traditions for thousands of years. I admire their adherence to their beliefs, and thats another thing that has made me be interested in researching religion at all.

I was raised to believe that "Muslim" and "terrorist" were synonymous. Turns out, I was wrong. All it took was researching them a little. But that's certainly what we've been led to believe.

There are psychos that kill in the name of the Bible, and there are psychos that kill in the name of Islam, and there are psychos that kill in the name of rejection of religion.

Even now "Islamic terrorist" is used to describe anyone brown. It's racism on full display, but it's fully accepted, whether they're Muslim or just brown.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I would just say, as someone that has never attended a church service and whose parents were both anti-religious, i find it baffling that so many (particularly of recent generations) don't seem to understand that the moral underpinnings of our civilization come from the bible and earlier Jewish texts. Do younger people not understand that the founders of our nation and authors of our constitution were devoutly religious and they weren't followers of religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Shintoism, or advocates of belief systems such as Nihilism, Hedonism, Anarchism, or Socialism. But keep tearing it down in your infinite arrogance and profound ignorance. You prove that human nature is not good, and morality is not an inborn trait.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

I would just say, as someone that has never attended a church service and whose parents were both anti-religious, i find it baffling that so many (particularly of recent generations) don't seem to understand that the moral underpinnings of our civilization come from the bible and earlier Jewish texts. Do younger people not understand that the founders of our nation and authors of our constitution were devoutly religious and they weren't followers of religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Shintoism, or advocates of belief systems such as Nihilism, Hedonism, Anarchism, or Socialism. But keep tearing it down in your infinite arrogance and profound ignorance. You prove that human nature is not good, and morality is not an inborn trait.

Very wise.

That's how I think of religion (I am a non-practicing Catholic), it's a means of teaching morals and basic traits that should be followed in regular every-day life.

I don't care if you believe in God or not, but you should have the morals to not commit false witness or murder people. You should respect your parents and not covet property that isn't yours.
-You know, pretty basic stuff that separates us from the animals-

[bpj]

One thing I find interesting for people who have read the Bible-

There are many things I didn't understand about the Bible that reading the first part of Enoch really helped me understand.

For example, where did these giants come from, the nephilim? Some may have heard of David and Goliath. And where did they go if they were supposedly here before?

The book of Enoch is referenced several times throughout the Bible, despite the fact that they left it out for some reason. But, it explains where they came from, and helped with my understanding of the full Biblical story.

Hope this helps someone else.

[Pharmabro]

This may be too logical for him to understand.

Hey now!

The border -- no I'm not happy with it. And I think Harris would just as soon ignore it because it's a huge blemish on the current administration. I just don't think that the Trump record was as fantastic as his supporters say it was. I think if you look at statistics, you find that there are A LOT more people trying to get across the past 4 years (obviously that is Harris's fault), and a lot more people have been detained and sent back. I have talked with some on the left who are NOT happy with Biden's tough (they see it as inhumane) handing of the border. Go figure.

In short, Trump talks tougher on the border, but neither candidate has a solution IMO.

This is the reason I call you dense to the left.

Believe me, if Trumps claims about the boarder were not as good as he says they are, the left (Harris) would be jumping all over it. Why, because right now, all she has is the lie that Trump will sign a National Ban on abortions and want to kill women in order to save the baby.
That's it. That's all she has. PERIOD!!!!

She can't claim the economy
She can't claim safe streets
She can't claim anything international
She can't claim military support

She is a fucking train-wreck in every possible way. So all she can do is to make outlandish claims about what she "wants Trump to have said".

But no doubt, you will keep leaning and voting left because that's what you know from your California days......or you just can't understand that this country (with abortion or not) is going downhill extremely fast.

Please, don't be a single-issue voter. Think about what would be best for everyone.

But, she is not Joe Biden and old, ugly, white man who fucked the country, and who has clearly been linked to the laptop as not " Russian disimformation", and clearly his son's bragging about how he is paying for a Ceaser's Palace suite, and a 5K a night hooker because people give him money vased on daddy will be the next Prez.

FFS, the left lives in a dilusional world where they make up their own perspective without any connection to objective reality.

[gil]

This may be too logical for him to understand.

Hey now!

The border -- no I'm not happy with it. And I think Harris would just as soon ignore it because it's a huge blemish on the current administration. I just don't think that the Trump record was as fantastic as his supporters say it was. I think if you look at statistics, you find that there are A LOT more people trying to get across the past 4 years (obviously that is Harris's fault), and a lot more people have been detained and sent back. I have talked with some on the left who are NOT happy with Biden's tough (they see it as inhumane) handing of the border. Go figure.

In short, Trump talks tougher on the border, but neither candidate has a solution IMO.

This is the reason I call you dense to the left.

Believe me, if Trumps claims about the boarder were not as good as he says they are, the left (Harris) would be jumping all over it. Why, because right now, all she has is the lie that Trump will sign a National Ban on abortions and want to kill women in order to save the baby.
That's it. That's all she has. PERIOD!!!!

She can't claim the economy
She can't claim safe streets
She can't claim anything international
She can't claim military support

She is a fucking train-wreck in every possible way. So all she can do is to make outlandish claims about what she "wants Trump to have said".

But no doubt, you will keep leaning and voting left because that's what you know from your California days......or you just can't understand that this country (with abortion or not) is going downhill extremely fast.

Please, don't be a single-issue voter. Think about what would be best for everyone.

Please, don't be a single-issue voter. Think about what would be best for everyone.

I really appreciate your sentiment here. I don't think I'm a single issue voter. I don't think "what I know from my California days" has anything to do with it. But actually, I think that you and I want the same things (good economy, public safety, secure border, international stability). Right? We might disagree on what we want regarding abortion (again, I've got a huge conflict of feeling here), but it isn't the main reason for how I would vote today.

I'm blessed to have a good life. The economy has been good me (really good), I feel safe when I go out (including Pioneer Square two weeks ago). I know other people are not so fortunate. And I'm enough of a "liberal" that I really do care about other people - I'm not only looking out for #1, you know?

But although we want some of the same things, I'm pretty sure we disagree on some of the "how bad is it?" For example, I know there have been horrible crimes committed by people in this country illegally, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to crime in general, and I am pretty sure the *rate* of crimes for illegal immigrants is lower than for people here legally. So although I really want a solution to the border and immigration, I think there is a lot of fear mongering about how bad things are. (Again, not that it's wonderful, just not as bad as painted.)

I don't think that crime overall is terrible. If we look at thing historically, it is going down.

And a couple of things that make me reluctant to vote for Trump (I'm more against him than I am for Harris):
1. I want someone who will stand up to Putin and to Netanyahu. I don't see Trump doing either.
2. I'm still seething at his ignorance or willful misrepresentation of how tarrifs work.
3. I can't see voting for someone who continually insults half of the country (maybe more) as traitors or that they hate America. No only is that fucking bullshit, but it has led to a downward spiral of civility in how we talk with each other.