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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Michael K. » Wed Apr 02, 2025 4:11 pm

auroraave wrote:
Wed Apr 02, 2025 4:06 pm

I agree the oline is an issue - not really debatable. I do think there are factors involved not HELPING the situation - like Grubb. This team won 10 games last year - they didn't look that good at times but think of what an experienced OC could have gleaned from this roster. You have to put guys in positions to succeed, you have to scheme to your strengths and weaknesses - I don't think Grubb did that on any level. He has a great playbook, but that doesn't help if you aren't factoring in the other teams strengths, weaknesses and schemes. That's where he failed and where I think the new OC excels.
Again, I would allow much more leeway to the blame game on Grubb, if it just wasn't yet another Bates, Bevell, Shotty and Waldron. Same shit, different year, different OC, same solution. Same man making the call. Have we won? Yep, but have we really been a threat once Beast and Russ couldn't control the line of scrimmage with the Read Option? I go back to the first half dominance by Carolina. That was because Pete tried to play Pete football with a team not equipped. They weren't equipped because they could no longer run the ball because the O Line was getting destroyed every snap. Without Russ playing streetball, and without the passing game last year?

Did you see the stat I posted from Danny O'Neill's article in November?
Over the past two weeks, the Seahawks have driven inside the opponent’s 20-yard line seven times. On those seven red-zone possessions, they have run the ball 11 times for a net of -1 yards.
Yet we fired the guy for not running the ball enough. This team couldn't have run the ball against Georgia, let alone the fucking Rams and Vikings! But it must be nice, build a shitty O Line year in and year out, and then deflect the blame to coaching and scheme. Only in Seattle. JS would have been placed in witness protection in most major NFL cities for fifteen years of this bullshit.

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:18 pm

I think the success of those early drafts - particularly 2010-2012 -,which i think were the result of a combination of great scouting and luck, really messed with JS' head and caused him to believe that he was the smartest guy in the GM room and could find find gems where no-one else thought to look.

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Michael K. » Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:59 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:18 pm
I think the success of those early drafts - particularly 2010-2012 -,which i think were the result of a combination of great scouting and luck, really messed with JS' head and caused him to believe that he was the smartest guy in the GM room and could find find gems where no-one else thought to look.
Totally agree. And again, Wilson, Lynch and the League not being ready for the read option.

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:38 am

There's Brandon Scherff, seems like a reasonable target, do there's still some quality left on the free agent market

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Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Thu Apr 03, 2025 11:16 am

Scherff is better than Haynes and Bradford, but would be about the same as keeping Tomlinson. They need to do better than that if they want to take the next step.

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Post by Donn Beach » Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:38 pm

Yeah, that being Tomlinson is better than I realized. It be a one year deal, a transition piece to cover the guard you draft. I don't think you want to sign a large multi-year contract with a FA guard and also use a high draft pick on one. Sheriff seems about right
. Scherff's Pro Football Focus grades have been solid over the years, too. He's never registered a grade of lower than 73.6 in seven seasons, which means the Jags are getting a consistent player when he is on the field. That's exactly why he was listed in Tier 3 of their recent guard rankings, which put him in the "very good" category with Joe Thuney, Laken Tomlinson, and Kevin Zeitler

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by auroraave » Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:18 pm
I think the success of those early drafts - particularly 2010-2012 -,which i think were the result of a combination of great scouting and luck, really messed with JS' head and caused him to believe that he was the smartest guy in the GM room and could find find gems where no-one else thought to look.
I agree with the luck part - that is the most glaring factor, IMO. There are no sure things. PHilly's run to the SB could arguably trace back to Carter falling in their lap making them that much better. SO much is luck. I disagree that JS has some massive ego - if you employ a strategy and it works why the fuck would you not keep doing it? If you are light on draft picks and up[ against the salary cap, why not trade back, to get more picks, picks that won't have a first round salary cap hit. Rashaad Penny was the best running back in college football - the team that had the worst RB room in the league due to injuries picked him - a completely logical move. It didn't pan out like it would on Madden. Luck, timing, context - soooooooooooo often ignored. No matter what strategy someone uses - it is NEVER going to be 100%. I reject those that accept the wins using said strategy, while lamenting the losses using the same strategy - the losses are mathematically inevitable.

This team is headed in the right direction - Jesus they won 10 games last year and only missed the playoffs on a fluke- they just made some great moves to get younger at QB and WR and get much-needed salary cap relief. Putting together a team that is going to be led by the defense - until the offense can come together - is a pretty savvy strategy. JS is not some egomaniacal idiot. Fans just have these laughably unattainable expectations.

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Thu Apr 03, 2025 3:31 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Apr 03, 2025 12:38 pm
Yeah, that being Tomlinson is better than I realized. It be a one year deal, a transition piece to cover the guard you draft. I don't think you want to sign a large multi-year contract with a FA guard and also use a high draft pick on one. Sheriff seems about right
. Scherff's Pro Football Focus grades have been solid over the years, too. He's never registered a grade of lower than 73.6 in seven seasons, which means the Jags are getting a consistent player when he is on the field. That's exactly why he was listed in Tier 3 of their recent guard rankings, which put him in the "very good" category with Joe Thuney, Laken Tomlinson, and Kevin Zeitler
That's old news. Scherff had a 64.5 grade last year and Tomlinson is not in the same tier as Thuney (or even close).

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Thu Apr 03, 2025 4:03 pm

auroraave wrote:
Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
This team is headed in the right direction - Jesus they won 10 games last year and only missed the playoffs on a fluke- they just made some great moves to get younger at QB and WR and get much-needed salary cap relief. Putting together a team that is going to be led by the defense - until the offense can come together - is a pretty savvy strategy. JS is not some egomaniacal idiot. Fans just have these laughably unattainable expectations.
Missed the playoffs on a fluke? The Rams were clearly the better team.

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Re: Seahawks' Free Agent Tracker

Post by Michael K. » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:07 pm

auroraave wrote:
Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:56 pm
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Apr 02, 2025 7:18 pm
I think the success of those early drafts - particularly 2010-2012 -,which i think were the result of a combination of great scouting and luck, really messed with JS' head and caused him to believe that he was the smartest guy in the GM room and could find find gems where no-one else thought to look.
Rashaad Penny was the best running back in college football - the team that had the worst RB room in the league due to injuries picked him - a completely logical move. It didn't pan out like it would on Madden. Luck, timing, context - soooooooooooo often ignored. No matter what strategy someone uses - it is NEVER going to be 100%. I reject those that accept the wins using said strategy, while lamenting the losses using the same strategy - the losses are mathematically inevitable.
He came in and was immediately the third stringer, and was still the third stringer late in the season. That's not a light RB room. And, it might benefit you to look at the backs in that draft. Leading the NCAA in rushing because you are at SD State doesn't make you the best back. There was this guy named Barkley and some SEC guys that were believed to be superior, and I'd say their NFL careers proved that.

As for his strategy working? It worked in 2012, and maybe for a few years after. MAYBE. He has stubbornly stuck to his bullshit scraps on the O Line philosophy, and it has cost this team dearly. If that isn't him being arrogant and stubborn, then it makes him stupid. Not sure which is worse.

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