MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by GL_Storm » Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:00 pm

rockycola wrote:
Wed Jun 04, 2025 7:46 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:04 pm
Mariners connected to Jarren Duran, he's's not named here as a possible trade candidate though he's in the last year of his contract isn't he? When I say that I mean fantasy trades

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/sea ... 99d50d35c5

There's that, these guys are going to cost you
In this trade proposal, Seattle would acquire Duran for right-hander Bryce Miller, second baseman Michael Arroyo (Mariners No. 4 prospect) and catcher Harry Ford (Mariners No. 5 prospect).
He's not a very good outfielder. Not a strong arm, low assist rate. Lacks power at the plate. Hits doubles and triples, which, if keeps at a high rate will balance lack of HR prowess. K's at a high rate.
Proposed trade prognosis: Pure rape of the M's. If the Red Sox threw in the two Garrett's, Crochet and Whitlock, maybe we talk.
I like Duran but not at that price. Also, he's only Arb1 next year, with free agency projected for 2029.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ja01.shtml

Also, I tend to think that this kind of blockbuster trade is much more likely to happen in the offseason.

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:33 pm

You look that proposal over maybe it's not that crazy
For Baseball Trade Values, it all adds up to $71.6 million in surplus value. That's about $20 million more than Garrett Crochet had when the Red Sox acquired him from the Chicago White Sox in a deal that saw Boston part with four of its best prospects.
To this end, Ford is very obviously blocked by Cal Raleigh, and Arroyo is only their third-best infield prospect after Colt Emerson and Cole Young. They are clearly expendable, and Miller may be as well.

He's had a weird year, in part because of a bone spur in his pitching elbow that will eventually need to be taken care of. Either way, he has interested the Red Sox in the past and is a little less necessary in Seattle now that Emerson Hancock and Logan Evans are raising their stock.

Otherwise, how does an outfield of Duran, Julio Rodríguez and Randy Arozarena sound? "Intimidating" is the right word, and the Mariners surely need the offensive upgrade if they're finally going to make it to the World Series.
We aren't hording prospects are we, you want dipoto to swing a blockbuster, those are all surplus pieces terms of the mariners needs. Want to go to a WS, that's the kind of deal we should be looking at isn't it?

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:53 pm

The M's aren't giving that up to get Duran.

The Red Sox aren't trading Duran.

Duran's OPS is nearly 300 points higher at Fenway in 25 which is why he has just a 107 OPS+. He's just a 92 OPS+ hitter away from Fenway in his career. He's also a good, cheap player for an organization that has big pocket books and is the current face of the org.

If the M's wanted to make moves to win the World Series they would have traded for Franky Lindor, Jose Ramirez, Matt Olson, Manny Machado... they would have signed a Betts, Bregman, Alonso, Ohtani...

They don't care to win a World Series. They care to hopefully win 54% and pray they have a run in the playoffs with a buncha bullshit on the roster.

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:15 pm

If they don't care about winning the WS then why bother having a conversation about deadline deals in the first place.

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:20 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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If they don't care about winning the WS then why bother having a conversation about deadline deals in the first place.
Because we're fans. It's not our fault this moron exists:

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:29 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:20 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:15 pm
If they don't care about winning the WS then why bother having a conversation about deadline deals in the first place.
Because we're fans. It's not our fault this moron exists:

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And so we discuss trades, I think that trade meets some of Dipoto's requirements, he likes control years, and he's also shown a willingness to give up value, he did it in the Castillo trade

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:39 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:29 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:20 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:15 pm
If they don't care about winning the WS then why bother having a conversation about deadline deals in the first place.
Because we're fans. It's not our fault this moron exists:

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And so we discuss trades, I think that trade meets some of Dipoto's requirements, he likes control years, and he's also shown a willingness to give up value, he did it in the Castillo trade
I said nothing about the trade itself. In a vacuum the values make sense.

Chances of it happening are 0, however.

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:49 pm

I'd put the chance basically equal to trading for Ryan O'Hearn

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:52 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:49 pm
I'd put the chance basically equal to trading for Ryan O'Hearn
You would put the chances of the M's trading from their rotation and multiple top 100 prospects for a guy who is the face of the franchise in Boston, making $8 million next year, who just hung nearly 9.0 bWAR in '24... the same as the M's trading for a rental player that the Orioles will 100% be trading who fits a clear position of need?

I'm never taking you to Vegas Donn. You'd be double downing on every Hard 12 against a face card.

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Re: MLB Trade Deadline Preview for the M's

Post by desbcoach » Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:06 pm

At this pace and status of starting pitching we could become a seller. Gilbert drop in velocity should be a big concern along with Miller bone spur in elbow

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