The Chosen People

[bpj]

Problem is I doubt isreal attacking Iran will bring about regime change, rather I think it's going to reinforce the current regime. It's going to hurt progressives there rather than assist them. The general population is going to rally against the attacks. Resistance elements will need to keep their heads down for fear of being labeled collaborators

It's obvious the only way there's "regime change" is when Israel drags the US in to finish the war they started. Which, of course, has been their goal all along.

[Donn Beach]

Kinda an interesting article,

Whether Iranians would turn on the regime is unclear. In some scenarios like this, you’d expect a rally-around-the-flag effect. But I’ve watched Iran for years, and my sense is that Iranians are so sick of the regime that many would welcome outside help in getting rid of it.

Their response could depend, however, on Israeli tactics.

“Strikes that are confined to military and nuclear targets will be a blow to the regime’s prestige, whereas strikes that cause broader economic and civilian harm could spur a different kind of popular response,” noted Michael Singh, who served on the National Security Council during the George W. Bush administration.

Even if the Iranian government survives this Israeli onslaught, it could be weakened enough that its demise comes sooner than it would have otherwise. But that could depend on how much pressure outside powers, especially the United States, continue to place on a regime whose anti-Americanism is foundational

“History tells us it can always be worse,” Jonathan Panikoff, a former U.S. intelligence officer, wrote in an online analysis. “Israel might find itself in a perpetual, ongoing, and far more intense war that is no longer in the shadows, as it has been for years.”

Israel, however, may not be thinking that many steps ahead, argued one U.S. official who has long worked on the Middle East.

“I don’t think they care enough about what comes next as long as it’s too weak to threaten Israel,” the official said.

That's pretty much my opinion, the usa might be about building democracies, isreal doesn't give a crap, they are about defending themselves.

And remember Iranians aren't Arabs, there's Arab countries that would be happy to get rid of the Iranian regime.



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00405153

[bpj]

Kinda an interesting article,

Whether Iranians would turn on the regime is unclear. In some scenarios like this, you’d expect a rally-around-the-flag effect. But I’ve watched Iran for years, and my sense is that Iranians are so sick of the regime that many would welcome outside help in getting rid of it.

Their response could depend, however, on Israeli tactics.

“Strikes that are confined to military and nuclear targets will be a blow to the regime’s prestige, whereas strikes that cause broader economic and civilian harm could spur a different kind of popular response,” noted Michael Singh, who served on the National Security Council during the George W. Bush administration.

Even if the Iranian government survives this Israeli onslaught, it could be weakened enough that its demise comes sooner than it would have otherwise. But that could depend on how much pressure outside powers, especially the United States, continue to place on a regime whose anti-Americanism is foundational

“History tells us it can always be worse,” Jonathan Panikoff, a former U.S. intelligence officer, wrote in an online analysis. “Israel might find itself in a perpetual, ongoing, and far more intense war that is no longer in the shadows, as it has been for years.”

Israel, however, may not be thinking that many steps ahead, argued one U.S. official who has long worked on the Middle East.

“I don’t think they care enough about what comes next as long as it’s too weak to threaten Israel,” the official said.

That's pretty much my opinion, the usa might be about building democracies, isreal doesn't give a crap, they are about defending themselves.

And remember Iranians aren't Arabs, there's Arab countries that would be happy to get rid of the Iranian regime.



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00405153

They can fight with whoever they want. But they shouldn't be doing it while collecting $4B from the US every year and dragging us into their wars.

[Donn Beach]

They are America's proxy force in the middle east, that's why they get the dough. They are an extension of American military force

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Kinda an interesting article,

Whether Iranians would turn on the regime is unclear. In some scenarios like this, you’d expect a rally-around-the-flag effect. But I’ve watched Iran for years, and my sense is that Iranians are so sick of the regime that many would welcome outside help in getting rid of it.

Their response could depend, however, on Israeli tactics.

“Strikes that are confined to military and nuclear targets will be a blow to the regime’s prestige, whereas strikes that cause broader economic and civilian harm could spur a different kind of popular response,” noted Michael Singh, who served on the National Security Council during the George W. Bush administration.

Even if the Iranian government survives this Israeli onslaught, it could be weakened enough that its demise comes sooner than it would have otherwise. But that could depend on how much pressure outside powers, especially the United States, continue to place on a regime whose anti-Americanism is foundational

“History tells us it can always be worse,” Jonathan Panikoff, a former U.S. intelligence officer, wrote in an online analysis. “Israel might find itself in a perpetual, ongoing, and far more intense war that is no longer in the shadows, as it has been for years.”

Israel, however, may not be thinking that many steps ahead, argued one U.S. official who has long worked on the Middle East.

“I don’t think they care enough about what comes next as long as it’s too weak to threaten Israel,” the official said.

That's pretty much my opinion, the usa might be about building democracies, isreal doesn't give a crap, they are about defending themselves.

And remember Iranians aren't Arabs, there's Arab countries that would be happy to get rid of the Iranian regime.



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00405153

They can fight with whoever they want. But they shouldn't be doing it while collecting $4B from the US every year and dragging us into their wars.

Against Iran... do you really think the war was theirs? Iran has been an enemy for decades.

[bpj]

Kinda an interesting article,




That's pretty much my opinion, the usa might be about building democracies, isreal doesn't give a crap, they are about defending themselves.

And remember Iranians aren't Arabs, there's Arab countries that would be happy to get rid of the Iranian regime.



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... n-00405153

They can fight with whoever they want. But they shouldn't be doing it while collecting $4B from the US every year and dragging us into their wars.

Against Iran... do you really think the war was theirs? Iran has been an enemy for decades.

An enemy of who? (Israel) They've never done anything to me.

Iran can't do anything to us. We shouldn't have military stationed all over the middle east, it's ridiculous.

They only hate us because of how we let Israel get away with anything.

[Donn Beach]

Think there's more to the negative Iranian attitude towards America than just isreal. You can go back to 1953 and americas involvement in the overthrow of Iran's democratic government to protect western oil interests. And the installation of the shah and his repressive regime. America was felt to have been complicit in it's operation. Including helping to set up SAVAK and run it, the shah's notorious secret police. This involvement in Iran's affairs continued up to the 1979 revolution. Ayatollah Khomeini’s revolution was based on installing fundamentalism, the west was characterized as the enemy because of its decadent life style and anti Islam beliefs. America was targeted as the central player, the great enemy, the Great Satan.

[bpj]

Iran has a right to defend themselves.

Right guys?

Guys?

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

They've never done anything to ME (I assume you mean personally)? With that rationale, has Israel done anything to you.... personally?

Iran has been causing issues in the middle-east for decades. They support terrorists groups that attack the entire world.... and I seem to remember a little something about hostages back in the late 70's.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

And does Israel NOT have a right to protect themselves?