It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

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Post by seth8734 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:43 pm

Skanks get another reliever Bird from the Rockies ughhhh come on Jerry said your all in prove it. Rh of bat and another rp wish for another sp. Not sure when Miller returns

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Post by DanielVogelbach » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:59 pm

It's not just deadline deals. I would say it' can be some combination of all of the following:

1. Guys coming back from injury
2. Softer schedule down the stretch
3. Veterans and late starters getting into their groove
4. Team more focused
5. Trade Deadline pickups
6. Rookies coming up

Then in the post-season it really becomes about the shortened rotation. It takes a good 5 man rotation to run up a 60% winning percentage. But, you don't need a 5 man rotation to win in the post season. What you really need is 2 guys at the top of the rotation that are lights out. The Mariners have that right now. Castillo has been good lately. Woo and Gilbert.

For 2025, I think the Geno pickup is so huge since that was the exact hole the Mariners needed to fill and the guy is the first player in MLB history with 35 homers to be traded at the deadline.

Naylor has numbers too, so just even more of a massive upgrade at the deadline for this team.

The Mariners are known for letting the fans down. But, no reason not to be excited about the current state of affairs.

Let's put it this way... I would rather have Geno and Josh at the deadline than Alonso on a 2-year contract and no Geno.

Sure, I would love for the Ms to spend more money. But, they never do. So, it's kind of pointless to whine about it. You can always switch your allegiance to the Los Angeles Dodgers if you're a fan of spending big cash on payroll. Nobody is forcing you to be a Mariners fan. Everyone knows they're cheap and they never win. Plus, even with unlimited payroll the game is set up to give the small market teams the ability to make runs by stocking up on young talent and the 6 years of club control plus usually a small extension before they leave for the big market teams. The Mariners are actually kind of in the middle as they spend $140 million and are able to sign a few guys to longer term veteran contracts.

The look-ahead in me is already wondering if they win the World Series then does Seattle become the primary team to sign Geno in the offseason? But, for now I'm just looking forward to seeing how game 1 with Geno goes.

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Post by desbcoach » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:59 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:39 pm
One third of the last 25 MLB champions had a slightly above average record at the trade deadline. Not sure why you guys felt the need to battle me on that one.

So, maybe I can teach a lesson here on the significance of trade deadline deals in Major League Baseball. They are a bit more difficult to pull off these days, since there are less sellers with more post season spots available. But, they are still massively important when trying to win a championship. They can easily take a slightly better than average team and put them into World Series contender, and that's exactly what just happened to your very own Seattle Mariners.

You need have prospects in the pipeline to pull these moves off. I think what also helped was Jerry's relationship with Washington as a trading partner.

This is obviously Jerry's high-water mark. Servais sent packing and now potentially something serious here with JP, Julio, Cal, Geno, Josh, Randy, Jorge. Now we just see if the players will rise to the occasion or fold under pressure. Expectations are now way higher imo.

Never in the history of MLB has a player with 35 home runs been traded at the deadline. This is the first ever time.

It's so massive. From Ben Williamson to a guy with 35 bombs.
MArk Mcquire with 34 HR traded to St Louis is pretty darn close

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Post by Michael K. » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:05 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:59 pm
It's not just deadline deals. I would say it' can be some combination of all of the following:

1. Guys coming back from injury
2. Softer schedule down the stretch
3. Veterans and late starters getting into their groove
4. Team more focused
5. Trade Deadline pickups
6. Rookies coming up
Non of this supports the rational that waiting until the deadline to build a team capable of competing makes any sense. The better the team is on day one, the better your chances of winning are. It's not like they all of a sudden start counting each win as 1.5 after the deadline. If they finish two games out? Those two games could have easily been made up early in the season when they ran a flawed roster out there. I just don't understand the mindset of baseball fans and the BS of "it's early". In just about every single damn season we have missed the playoffs by a game or two, this fan base spent the majority of the Spring saying it's early. It wasn't, the season starts day one, not after the All Star Break, or when the weather heats up, or after the deadline, or after the Non Waiver deadline. It starts day one, and I doubt there is a freaking fan or media base in all of sports that uses the phrase "it's early" more than the Mariners.

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Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:10 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:59 pm
It's not just deadline deals. I would say it' can be some combination of all of the following:

1. Guys coming back from injury
2. Softer schedule down the stretch
3. Veterans and late starters getting into their groove
4. Team more focused
5. Trade Deadline pickups
6. Rookies coming up
I do very much agree with your point with the late starters getting into their groove as that applies to our starting pitchers who should be better than what we've seen thus far in 2025, but I've already debunked your theory and because it's not registering with you, I'm going to add this:

The Seattle Mariners' attitude toward just barely getting there has resulted in them just barely missing the playoffs two of the last three years. And guess what? If you're not in the playoffs, you can't win a championship. We should make the playoffs this season, but if we were in the NL we wouldn't be having this conversation. "Let's see if we can eke in" is not a sound strategy.

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Post by Captain 97 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:14 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:59 pm

Then in the post-season it really becomes about the shortened rotation. It takes a good 5 man rotation to run up a 60% winning percentage. But, you don't need a 5 man rotation to win in the post season. What you really need is 2 guys at the top of the rotation that are lights out. The Mariners have that right now. Castillo has been good lately. Woo and Gilbert.
I don't agree with this at all. The M's don't have any lights out starters. The M's have a bunch of guys that would be #2 or 3 starters on most world series contenders. They have nobody in the top 20 in ERA, FIP Wins, Strikeouts or WAR.

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Post by Michael K. » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:19 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:10 pm
"Let's see if we can eke in" is not a sound strategy.
But it makes them money here, so they won't change. And again, "going for it" this deadline provides them the built in excuse if they don't make it. They'll pretend they did all they can do...even though they didn't do jack shit in the off season. Why? Because paying guys all year is expensive.

Again, it's as if they are saying we can pay no mind to the fact that they dug the hole they are in, only to the fact that they are trying to now climb out of it. If there was no hole to begin with, these moves would look like get us to the WS moves, and not just help us get the #1 WC moves.
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Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:20 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:14 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:59 pm

Then in the post-season it really becomes about the shortened rotation. It takes a good 5 man rotation to run up a 60% winning percentage. But, you don't need a 5 man rotation to win in the post season. What you really need is 2 guys at the top of the rotation that are lights out. The Mariners have that right now. Castillo has been good lately. Woo and Gilbert.
I don't agree with this at all. The M's don't have any lights out starters. The M's have a bunch of guys that would be #2 or 3 starters on most world series contenders. They have nobody in the top 20 in ERA, FIP Wins, Strikeouts or WAR.
Bear in mind we're talking to the guy who repeatedly says that Mitch Garver is (present tense) a "good hitter".

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Post by bpj » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:20 pm

Best lineup we've seen in awhile. Dipoto added some of the best players available.

He didn't sit it out because they didn't have enough team control remaining. Glad to see he's finally playing for this season.

Hopefully he'll build a clear contender this offseason instead of waiting for mid-season.

Hopefully they can make it in.

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Post by bpj » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:24 pm

I like their pitching if they get to the playoffs.

Woo has been good. Almost always get 6+ competitive innings put of him. Castillo has been good. Have Gilbert start game 3- I'm not betting against him if it comes down to it- with Kirby ready to come in if he starts getting hit early.

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