Way too early offseason

[GL_Storm]

I think they re-sign Naylor for 4yr and $76million.

I think they trade Castillo to the Dodgers for OF Josue de Paula. Castillo offers gives the Dodgers something it has lacked for a long time...durability. De Paula gives the M's a high quality prospect that will control the strike zone, be a really good left handed hitter, and hit for power. The one time I saw him play, he reminded me of the former TB All Star Carl Crawford.

Those are the 2 moves I think they should do this offseason

I don't think Naylor will get anywhere near that.

[Juliooooo]

I think they re-sign Naylor for 4yr and $76million.

I think they trade Castillo to the Dodgers for OF Josue de Paula. Castillo offers gives the Dodgers something it has lacked for a long time...durability. De Paula gives the M's a high quality prospect that will control the strike zone, be a really good left handed hitter, and hit for power. The one time I saw him play, he reminded me of the former TB All Star Carl Crawford.

Those are the 2 moves I think they should do this offseason

Is de Paula much different than Laz? Both are bigger, and probably not great defensive OF that might end up playing more DH. Laz is 6 months younger with OBP about 20 points less in A+ ball with similar BA while Laz has probably 2x as many HR per AB. If you trade Castillo, I’d hope you get a corner IF out of it.

[GL_Storm]

I would love to get Josue De Paula and I would immediately try to convert him to 1B.

[DanielVogelbach]

#2 - They put plenty of offense around Cal

In late July. Again, that is what I assume will happen again. They won't do jack diddly in the off season, they will hang around the last WC spot and then look to add a rental or two at the deadline. Pretending the team we are looking at now is what we had in March is fucking ridiculous. They did NOT add plenty of offense around Cal until their hands were forced at the deadline. I have a hard time imagining that many teams add a #4 and a #5 hitter in late July. The entire lineup changed with those moves.

Hats off to them for making those moves, as the only time we have made the playoffs is when they made a splash at the Deadline instead of selling off pieces with an eye for the future. But doing it again next year would be stupid. Add to the team during the winter and come into the Spring guns a blazing, instead of hovering around the middle and hoping something is available in late July.

All that matters is the team you take down the stretch. So, in 2025 not only did they surround Cal with offense, but they've put together one of the most exciting overall Mariners teams in franchise history.

Putting together a winner always requires a little bit of luck and some pieces just kind of falling into place.

For all we know they've been targeting Naylor, but AZ didn't want to deal him during the offseason. So, perhaps a VERY SMART MOVE to sit tight on the FA market last winter and let things develop. Can you not see that aspect of this? Instead of signing the next Mitch Garver he chilled back.

I don't think you can ever look at one offseason in singularity. You have to always be looking at things from 1,000 foot view. Potentially, though, the fact that Jerry did nothing during the offseason was the perfect move.

They had the prospects to make the plays for the top deadline acquisitions. Jerry put them in that position. All good. Not bad. Glass completely full. Pitchers are young and good. Cal and Julio locked up team-friendly deals. It's the best since 2001.

I find your commentary curious given the backdrop of Mariners historical futility and recent excitement.

[Michael K.]

All that matters is the team you take down the stretch. So, in 2025 not only did they surround Cal with offense, but they've put together one of the most exciting overall Mariners teams in franchise history.

Stopped reading. Yep, I forgot about how they change how they count wins and losses after the trade deadline.

You don't get it, so I'm done with you. Again, kudos to them for doing something at the deadline. Fuck them if they continue to go on the cheap and hope to hang close so they can strike gold at the deadline. You act as though this strategy works all the time. Two out of the past five years they've been able to add at the deadline. The other three years we were watching other teams in the playoffs. Not sure that is the best strategy.

You will defend everything they do no matter what. Good for you. But stop pretending like it doesn't matter how they start the season. All it would have taken this year was for someone else to sweeten the pot for Suarez, Naylor, or both...and we'd be running the same limp dick batting order out there right now as we did two weeks ago!

[DanielVogelbach]

All that matters is the team you take down the stretch. So, in 2025 not only did they surround Cal with offense, but they've put together one of the most exciting overall Mariners teams in franchise history.

Stopped reading. Yep, I forgot about how they change how they count wins and losses after the trade deadline.

You don't get it, so I'm done with you. Again, kudos to them for doing something at the deadline. Fuck them if they continue to go on the cheap and hope to hang close so they can strike gold at the deadline. You act as though this strategy works all the time. Two out of the past five years they've been able to add at the deadline. The other three years we were watching other teams in the playoffs. Not sure that is the best strategy.

You will defend everything they do no matter what. Good for you. But stop pretending like it doesn't matter how they start the season. All it would have taken this year was for someone else to sweeten the pot for Suarez, Naylor, or both...and we'd be running the same limp dick batting order out there right now as we did two weeks ago!

If you respond to a half read post then you run a high risk of making yourself look like a moron.

I'm fully aware that the Ms are one of the worst run franchises in the history of professional sports. But, I'm also fully aware that the current roster is as good as it's been since 2001. This isn't just Geno and Josh. Jerry put them into the position where they were just one or two bats away. He put them into a position where they had prospects available to make deadline deals and land the top bats available. He built the most exciting team in 20 years.

To repeat myself, for all we know they've been targeting Naylor, but AZ didn't want to deal him in the offseason. So, it could be a VERY SMART MOVE to not make any major moves last winter and wait for next winter. What if they sign Naylor this offseason? That's a lot better than making a move last winter and signing the next Mitch Garver.

You can't look at a single offseason in isolation. You have to look at everything from a big picture view. I never said it's ALWAYS good to stand pat during the winter. But, SOMETIMES it is.

You can be done with me all you want. But, I know what I'm talking about.

[D-train]

No

And
Fk no

Just curious, is this who your handle refers to?...

I asked before what he thought of the Wu Tang Clan

The irony is that I am the only one that was in the Pharma industry. lol

[D-train]

they'll move JP to first, another Ernie Banks

Where is the projectile vomit emoticon when I need it.

[D-train]

JP is the starter next year, then you have arroyo, young and Emerson to fill the infield. Not sure what you do about 3B for a year, maybe it’s Williamson… if only Arroyo could play 3B. Emerson might end up there, especially if Celestin develops like we hope. He’s probably 2028 though, maybe mid 2027

Neither Young nor Arroyo can play on the left side of the INF so we have an issue.

[D-train]

I think they re-sign Naylor for 4yr and $76million.

I think they trade Castillo to the Dodgers for OF Josue de Paula. Castillo offers gives the Dodgers something it has lacked for a long time...durability. De Paula gives the M's a high quality prospect that will control the strike zone, be a really good left handed hitter, and hit for power. The one time I saw him play, he reminded me of the former TB All Star Carl Crawford.

Those are the 2 moves I think they should do this offseason

We have 5 starting OFers under control for next season and 4 for multiple years. We don't need OFers we need 1B and a 3B and DH.