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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:06 pm

Robles could be good still. He was good in 2024 and only played in 10 games this year before his injury. He's signed through 2027. He could still help them this year.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:08 pm

MLB Teams Ranked by Number of Top 100 Prospects (MLB Pipeline, August 2025)

Seattle Mariners - 9
Chicago Cubs - 7
Cincinnati Reds - 6
Chicago White Sox - 6
Milwaukee Brewers - 5
Los Angeles Dodgers - 5
Minnesota Twins - 5
Detroit Tigers - 4
New York Mets - 4
Tampa Bay Rays - 4
Boston Red Sox - 3
Cleveland Guardians - 3
Oakland Athletics - 3
Pittsburgh Pirates - 3
Texas Rangers - 3
Arizona Diamondbacks - 2
Baltimore Orioles - 2
Philadelphia Phillies - 2
St. Louis Cardinals - 2
Toronto Blue Jays - 2
Atlanta Braves - 1
Colorado Rockies - 1
Houston Astros - 1
Kansas City Royals - 1
Los Angeles Angels - 1
Miami Marlins - 1
New York Yankees - 1
San Diego Padres - 1
San Francisco Giants - 1
Washington Nationals - 1

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:16 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:30 am

take 20 homeruns away from Cal and they are still in the top 10 for homeruns. The narrative that the Mariners have a lousy offense is getting old, they have a decent offense, they did before they made those moves. That's why you add at the deadline. You don't do it with a lousy offense because you are not going to be able to really move it. But with an already decent offense you can continue to lengthen the lineup at the deadline and that's what they did. You have Young now hitting ninth with an OPS over 800.
Exactly. Add that they have a great pitching staff and a massively deep farm system there was no question they were going to be buyers at the deadline. Exciting times.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:23 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:40 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:29 pm
Back to the topic at hand.....
To me the biggest need is 1B they have nothing in the Minors that is close. There were rumors that the Braves were making Matt Olson available at the deadline. If I am Rosterbating I am making that trade.

Next I am signing Geno to a 2 year deal while the young infielders continue to develop. 5 of their top 13 prospects are middle infielders. Hopefully they should be able to fill 3B and SS from within as JP and Geno's contracts expire.

Lastly I am adding a couple of leverage relievers.

If Ford doesn't go in the the Olson trade, bring him up as backup catcher/DH.

Looking at some back of the napkin payroll calcs. and factoring in the expiring contracts as well as arbitration raises it seems like you should be able to get that done somewhere around 180-190 Million. Which would be just outside of the top 10 in payroll.
Sounds great. It's never been something they have done, and since they cried poor this off season? I just don't see how that changes. I sure hope you are right though.
They have been in the top ten in payroll before but it has always been relative to their projected income. I think their spending is going to be largely dependent on how successful their streaming service has been. They got spooked when the cable deals started to implode and if they have some assurance that they can replace that revenue through streaming I think they will spend. I haven't really seen anything written on their subscription numbers and how all that is penciling out.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Michael K. » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:30 pm

Again, I hope you are right. But there have been a lot of promises made since they tore it down and started over. The only thing they have done is rebuild the Farm. This deadline they were able to use some pieces to add rentals, but will they use bigger pieces to help the Major League club in the Off Season? Or spend $ in FA? I have my doubts. I think it is just as likely that they start the season next year with kids at 1st and 3rd as it is they make a splashy signing. And probably more likely that they sign two has beens to play 1st and 3rd and blame budget constraints and not wanting to block the kids they weren't ready to bring us as to why.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:34 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:39 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:13 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:03 pm
Well, this topic was about the upcoming offseason. And my point was that they will do the same shit they always do. So I guess I thought you were talking to me when you posted all this stuff.

Again, I am very excited for the rest of this season. This team can do some damage...but not because it was a good team coming in. That, as I stated, is what I expect this off season. That we will spend all winter talking about how they haven't done enough, and they will hope to add rentals in July. It's all to save money...and it's bullshit. This fan base deserves better.
Oaky, I don't like to think in terms of throw away lines like, they will do the same shit they always do. They are determined to develop players and the fact is they have been doing it, Cal, Julio and now Young are position players they developed, not to mention the pitching they developed. I see a direction and I see progress
They built a farm, but you just named two players and a rookie as a basis for why you think this will be a launching point? Four years ago should have bene a launching point, but they weren't ready, so they sold at the deadline. Then they made minimal effort to improve the team in the offseason, a common theme, and it was basically wash rinse and repeat. Yet you think that making two big moves this trade deadline means that this coming off season is going to be different? Why? Why are they going to spend this off season when they never have? They already told us last winter there are under budget restraints. Did TV money all of a sudden appear? Because that is all they have to do...cry about TV money, and not spend, then throw their hands up and hope they can make a move for a rental at the deadline.

Everyone is jacked up about Cole Young. He bats 9th in the lineup. But lets bring a couple more of him up next year and hope for the best?
I don't see it as a launching point as much as a continuum. For me it is what it is. I think there is a plan and they are determined to stick to it. They seem to be doing what they said they would, develop players and attempt to retain them. Should they spend more, who knows, I am not privy to their books or their plans. I honestly do not feel I am a position to be telling them what to do. Like i said, i feel pretty happy with the season actually, and looking ahead I feel next season could have similar possibilities. You are what, disappointed, not satisfied? Okay, I don't have a problem with that. Feel however you care to feel.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Michael K. » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:41 pm

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll

This website has us 12th in active payroll right now. So being just outside the top ten next year doesn't seem like much of a reach.

Mets and Phillies are 1 and 2, and sit atop the NL East. The Mets are still holding on to the last WC spot despite going 1 and 9 in their last ten!
Dodgers and Yankees are 3 and 4 Dodgers atop the NL West and the Yankees still holding on to the last WC spot despite going 3 and 7 in their last ten.
Padres and Blue Jays at 6 and 7. Both currently in the playoffs, the Jays are the 1 seed in the AL and the Padres are breathing down the neck of the Dodgers and have a nice hold on the #2 WC spot.
Boston and Houston are 9 and 10. We are well aware of both of their positions in the playoff chase.
The Giants are 11th. They are struggling a bit.
So are the Rangers, who are 5th in payroll. I doubt they feel to bad about it though as they bought their way to a Ring not that long ago.

The only team above us in the playoff hunt and below us in payroll is Detroit. They are 15th in payroll. A whopping three spots behind us. Still want to pretend that it just doesn't matter how much this ownership group spends?

The biggest thing that jumps out at me on this list is the gap between 1 and 15, and again from 15 to 30! Oh, and look at Houston and Toronto's total payroll compared to their active payroll. But damn, those top five payrolls are enormous!

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Michael K. » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:43 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:34 pm

I don't see it as a launching point as much as a continuum. For me it is what it is. I think there is a plan and they are determined to stick to it. They seem to be doing what they said they would, develop players and attempt to retain them. Should they spend more, who knows, I am not privy to their books or their plans. I honestly do not feel I am a position to be telling them what to do. Like i said, i feel pretty happy with the season actually, and looking ahead I feel next season could have similar possibilities. You are what, disappointed, not satisfied? Okay, I don't have a problem with that. Feel however you care to feel.
Everyone is thrilled with this lineup. Take out Naylor and Geno and throw in two kids on our farm and tell me how jacked up you are. Continuum? Not if they don't spend in the off season.

And I think I have made my feelings very clear. I am happy with what they did at the deadline, I am pissed at how they entered this season and believe that is what is going to be the norm, and I don't believe that is OK. You really had to ask me that question, or are you just being annoying?
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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:58 pm

I don't follow the league too closely, but it does seem that Houston is well managed.

The concepts of player development and club control / arbitration years can't be overemphasized here. Michael seems to think that spending money is the most important aspect of winning MLB games and it's really only a small piece of the puzzle.

Players peak at age 26-29. So, even a young player debuting at 22 years old will be under club control until he's 28. Sign him to a small extension and you've got him on the cheap until he's starting to leave his peak.

The Ms spent sooo much money on Robbie Cano and he was mediocre. So, you don't just want the Ms to spend money on FAs. You also want them to get FAs that will perform. These are two totally different things!

The most important part to winning is to get the quality young players. There are obviously good veteran players out there. But, a lot of them are locked up in contracts, so we're only talking about a few FAs a year. A couple teams like Yankees and Dodgers traditionally load up on them.

The other important part to winning is patience. Often times teams "go for it" when they weren't ready and it sets them back. Now not only are they a mediocre ballclub, but they're farm is depleted. You can only spend your way out of that problem so much, because the Soheih Ohtani's don't just grow on trees.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Tue Aug 12, 2025 6:00 pm

**2025 MLB Team Payroll and Winning Percentage**

Team | Payroll (USD, millions) | Winning % (as of 7/31/2025)

New York Mets | $323.1 | .585 (62-44)
Los Angeles Dodgers | $321.3 | .575 (61-45)
New York Yankees | $293.5 | .543 (57-48)
Philadelphia Phillies | $284.2 | .571 (60-45)
Toronto Blue Jays | $239.6 | .594 (63-43)
Texas Rangers | $220.5 | .528 (56-50)
Houston Astros | $220.2 | .566 (60-46)
Atlanta Braves | $214.8 | .423 (44-60)
San Diego Padres | $208.9 | .538 (57-49)
Chicago Cubs | $196.3 | .590 (62-43)
Arizona Diamondbacks | $195.3 | .481 (51-55)
Boston Red Sox | $193.6 | .533 (57-50)
Los Angeles Angels | $190.5 | .481 (51-55)
San Francisco Giants | $173.0 | .509 (54-52)
Baltimore Orioles | $162.3 | .448 (47-58)
Seattle Mariners | $146.8 | .528 (56-50)
Detroit Tigers | $143.2 | .570 (61-46)
Minnesota Twins | $142.8 | .476 (50-55)
St. Louis Cardinals | $141.5 | .505 (54-53)
Kansas City Royals | $130.0 | .491 (52-54)
Colorado Rockies | $120.7 | .257 (27-78)
Cincinnati Reds | $115.5 | .528 (56-50)
Milwaukee Brewers | $115.1 | .590 (62-43)
Washington Nationals | $107.7 | .410 (43-62)
Cleveland Guardians | $100.5 | .495 (52-53)
Pittsburgh Pirates | $87.6 | .415 (44-62)
Tampa Bay Rays | $79.2 | .500 (53-53)
Chicago White Sox | $82.3 | .358 (38-68)
Oakland Athletics | $73.1 | .426 (46-62)
Miami Marlins | $67.4 | .481 (50-54)

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