Way too early offseason

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue Aug 12, 2025 10:50 pm

If you want a 3B... here's an interesting one:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... raka000mun

Kid from Japan... hit 56 homers as a 22 year old.

246 career homers in 7 years in Japan... just 25.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Michael K. » Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:08 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:47 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 7:34 pm
DanielVogelbach wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 6:19 pm

The idea that this team sucks without Geno and Josh is not true. They were already good. And the farm is loaded up with top 100 prospects (#1 in MLB with 9, Astros only have 1, Rangers have 3, Oakland has 3) You really don't even need Geno and josh you just need something other then Ben Williamson and Solano. The team is looking good for this season and also going into next season and beyond. This is a high-water mark for the franchise.
3 and 7 leading up to the deadline.
9 and 1 after.
You do realize that Geno has a .357 OPS since the trade don't you? I am sure that the energy of the acquisition helped some but they have really been winning in spite of him rather than because of him.
Yes, I realize that he has slumped. He has also had some big hits, and was a big addition for morale, I believe. It also allowed guys that shouldn't be hitting in the middle of the batting order to no longer hit in the middle of the batting order. I think there is something to that as well.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Michael K. » Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:10 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:59 pm
10 games is a small sample size also. Obviously the team is better with Josh and Geno, but they weren't a .300 winning % team without them either.
Jesus, .300 is a pretty low bar. They went from fighting for the last WC spot to battling for the division and within spitting distance of a first round bye. 10 games is a small sample size, but a pretty drastic change before to after. Also, wasn't it you that wanted everyone to back off of Julio struggling at home because he had nine straight good games? So, is it a small sample size, but only when someone else uses it as a sample size?

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by D-train » Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:17 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 10:50 pm
If you want a 3B... here's an interesting one:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... raka000mun

Kid from Japan... hit 56 homers as a 22 year old.

246 career homers in 7 years in Japan... just 25.
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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:19 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:17 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 10:50 pm
If you want a 3B... here's an interesting one:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... raka000mun

Kid from Japan... hit 56 homers as a 22 year old.

246 career homers in 7 years in Japan... just 25.
Get Ichiro on the phone.

(or don't cause apparently he's scary to other japanese people)

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:07 am

Michael K. wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:10 pm

Jesus, .300 is a pretty low bar. They went from fighting for the last WC spot to battling for the division and within spitting distance of a first round bye. 10 games is a small sample size, but a pretty drastic change before to after. Also, wasn't it you that wanted everyone to back off of Julio struggling at home because he had nine straight good games? So, is it a small sample size, but only when someone else uses it as a sample size?
What I'm saying is you mentioned 3-7 before the trade deadline. That's not really representative of the team before the deadline. They were already a winning team.

It's not really a drastic change, because the sample size is so low. If they went from 30-70 to 90-10 that would be something substantial. 3-7 to 9-1 is kind of just normal baseball season, so you can't really draw the correlations. That being said, I think it's obvious that adding Josh and Geno improves the club.

My take on Julio is that he's on Hall of Fame trajectory over the course of his first 5 seasons, not his last 9 games. I wanted people to back off on criticism based on his entire career. If you read my post I said exactly that. I asked how his 2025 home OPS compares to his CAREER home OPS to see if we could expect some regression to the mean as they say.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:10 am

Another thing about 2025 is the injuries were pretty significant. Gilbert, Kirby, Robles. They might all be back for post season.

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by harmony » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:21 am

D-train wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:17 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Aug 12, 2025 10:50 pm
If you want a 3B... here's an interesting one:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... raka000mun

Kid from Japan... hit 56 homers as a 22 year old.

246 career homers in 7 years in Japan... just 25.
Munetaka Murakami is worth a look despite striking out in 29 percent of his 1,301 plate appearances since the start of the 2023 season.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... raka000mun

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by DanielVogelbach » Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:57 am

Bryce Miller injury was also big for this year and he's coming back also. In 2024 he was sensational. I figure he wasn't as good this year because of the injury but he was playing through it.

If the Ms got 2024 production from Bryce Miller and Victor Robles they would have more wins for sure.

Gilbert and Kirby also missing significant time. That wasn't part of the offseason plan when you break down this season so far.

Canzone bats left. Robles bats right. I think Robles is gonna be on the post-season roster and he will add to the team chemistry. Robles is signed through 2027. He had an .860 OPS in 77 games with the Ms in 2024. That was just last year. Don't forget about Robles baby!!! He's coming back!!!

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Re: Way too early offseason

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:18 am

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Wed Aug 13, 2025 2:57 am
Bryce Miller injury was also big for this year and he's coming back also. In 2024 he was sensational. I figure he wasn't as good this year because of the injury but he was playing through it.

If the Ms got 2024 production from Bryce Miller and Victor Robles they would have more wins for sure.


Gilbert and Kirby also missing significant time. That wasn't part of the offseason plan when you break down this season so far.

Canzone bats left. Robles bats right. I think Robles is gonna be on the post-season roster and he will add to the team chemistry. Robles is signed through 2027. He had an .860 OPS in 77 games with the Ms in 2024. That was just last year. Don't forget about Robles baby!!! He's coming back!!!
That's just how baseball works.

Nothing is guaranteed. You get surprises. You get injuries. You get failures. You get successes.

Which is why teams who spend money to build out a complete roster tend to do better because they've been able to fill voids with depth.

It was a very silly expectation for people to just assume that all of our starting pitchers 1-5 would pitch high 2's low 3's ERA's and throw 200 innings each. Hilariously dumb.

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