Way too early offseason

[DanielVogelbach]

Who cares what route you take if you win the World Series?

So, you think it makes sense to follow the path that has been successful six times out of twenty? You are like talking to a wall. I never said I'd care how we win one, just that it makes sense if you actually want to win one? You follow the path that gets you there 80% of the time, and not the one that works 20% of the time. What part of that is so hard for you to understand?

Nothing works 80% of the time. You can spend all kinds of money and not win. What works is what works. Recognize what it actually means when a team wins the World Series with the 17th ranked payroll. Learn from that.

[DanielVogelbach]

So, you look at the way Julio fell off each season, and see an upwards trajectory? Based on what besides the fact that is what you hope for because you are a fan of his?

I'm talking about right now. And I see you ignored the part of my text I asked you to explain your lofty expectations for a guy whos OB, SLG and OPS are all lower than Jorge Polanco. Or, is Jorge also a future hall of famer?

I hope you are right, but when you blindly debate everyone that is critical of a guy like Julio, that spent four and a half months deserving criticism? Is very annoying. Stomping your feet and demanding that a process that works 20% of the time is the way to go? Well, it's fucking annoying.

You are seriously like talking to a wall. Julio's current OPS is almost .100 points lower than his rookie year. But trending upwards according to you. OBP has gone down every year, and he slugged .409 last year, or his slugging would have gone down each season as well. Current Batting Average is .028 lower than his rookie year. What part of all of this tells you that he is trending upwards? Nothing, besides the fact that you want to argue with anyone who says otherwise.

Hope all you want, but stomping your feet and arguing with absolutely ZERO facts to back you? Again, annoying.

I look at the home runs, the stolen bases, and his age. Most players peak around age 27.

[Michael K.]

Nothing works 80% of the time. You can spend all kinds of money and not win. What works is what works. Recognize what it actually means when a team wins the World Series with the 17th ranked payroll. Learn from that.

What the Hell are you talking about? You posted the past thirty WS Championships and their payroll rankings. In those 30 years, 6 times the WS champ had a payroll outside the top 20. It's math buddy, 6 times in 30 tries is 20% of the time. Again, it's annoying as Hell when you want to argue shit for zero reason other than you don't like the data.

It's raw data....learn from that.

[Michael K.]

I look at the home runs, the stolen bases, and his age. Most players peak around age 27.

And most fans look at a guy who has regressed every year since his rookie year and realize he isn't on an upward trajectory.

[DanielVogelbach]

Nothing works 80% of the time. You can spend all kinds of money and not win. What works is what works. Recognize what it actually means when a team wins the World Series with the 17th ranked payroll. Learn from that.

What the Hell are you talking about? You posted the past thirty WS Championships and their payroll rankings. In those 30 years, 6 times the WS champ had a payroll outside the top 20. It's math buddy, 6 times in 30 tries is 20% of the time. Again, it's annoying as Hell when you want to argue shit for zero reason other than you don't like the data.

It's raw data....learn from that.

Nothing works 80% of the time. You can spend all kinds of money and not win. What works is what works. Recognize what it actually means when a team wins the World Series with the 17th ranked payroll. Learn from that.

[Michael K.]

Nothing works 80% of the time. You can spend all kinds of money and not win. What works is what works. Recognize what it actually means when a team wins the World Series with the 17th ranked payroll. Learn from that.

So, you posted thirty WS winners, and what you took from that is that six times out of thirty, having a payroll outside the top 10 worked, and you think that is the strategy that should be replicated. The one that worked six times, not the one that worked twenty four times? Shut the hell up about nothing working 80% of the time. If you didn't want me to use the data, you shouldn't have posted it.

Again, you annoy the shit out of me. So, never mind. I'm done with you. You are right, six is better than twenty four. Welcome to the Mariner Front office kid, you belong right there with them.

[DanielVogelbach]

I look at the home runs, the stolen bases, and his age. Most players peak around age 27.

And most fans look at a guy who has regressed every year since his rookie year and realize he isn't on an upward trajectory.

Almost all players have a sophomore slump. I think he'll peak around age 27. 2025 looks better than 2024. If he plays a full career he could put up some serious power/speed numbers.

I'm not saying he's reached Ken Griffey Jr. or Felix Hernandez status yet. Not even Jay Buhner yet. But, he seems to be on his way. I could be wrong. Just my opinion.

[DanielVogelbach]

So, you posted thirty WS winners, and what you took from that is that six times out of thirty, having a payroll outside the top 10 worked, and you think that is the strategy that should be replicated. The one that worked six times, not the one that worked twenty four times? Shut the hell up about nothing working 80% of the time. If you didn't want me to use the data, you shouldn't have posted it.

Again, you annoy the shit out of me. So, never mind. I'm done with you. You are right, six is better than twenty four. Welcome to the Mariner Front office kid, you belong right there with them.

I never stated any "strategy that should be replicated"

I said that you can win the World Series without being in the top 10 in payroll.

What works 80% of the time? Being in the top 10 in payroll? NO. That worked for ONE TEAM THAT SEASON AND FAILED FOR 9 TEAMS YOU MONKEY

Nothing works 80% of the time. If you put yourself in the top 10 in payroll you will most likely NOT WIN THE WS.

Do math monkey

[DanielVogelbach]

How is putting your team in the top 10 payroll going to work 80% of the time when a team can win the WS with the 17th highest payroll?

I'm not advocating any strategy. I'm just doing math.

[Michael K.]

Are you really asking me to explain to you why something that history has shown works 80% of the time didn't work 100% of the time, or do you just not understand the difference between 80% of the time and every single time? The team that was outside the top 10 and won a WS? They are a part of that 20% of the time. Does that really not compute with you?