MVP thread

[Captain 97]

It was a close race. Would have been really cool if two votes would have flipped making it a tie.
Am I disappointed? Sure, but, personal biases aside, its hard to have much of a problem with this either way. No one was robbed. It just came down to a judgment call of whether or not being a catcher has enough value to overcome Judges clearly superior offensive season. Even fWAR which is known for giving a high value to catchers defense still had Judge with a better season.

[DavidGee24]

It’s unfortunate that one of them won’t be the MVP, since both had historic seasons. I suppose it’s similar to 1941, when Ted Williams hit .406 but lost out to DiMaggio‘s 56 game hitting streak.

A big deal gets made out of that but in 1941 Williams had a 10.4 WAR while DiMaggio had a 9.3, so they were actually close. Williams' surface stats look better but DiMaggio played his home games in a park where it was 402 to straightaway left field and about 460 to left-center field. Put DiMaggio in Boston in 1941 and his numbers jump off the page.

Where Williams got ripped off was in 1947 when he had a WAR of 9.5 but lost to DiMaggio's 4.7

I realize OPS wasn't really a thing back then but he led the League 10 times in OPS and only won 2 MVPs.

They just put way too much emphasis on how the team did and might as well have called the award the MVY. Williams probably should have won the MVP 5 times.

[Michael K.]

If Cal wore Pinstripes he'd have won this award in a fucking landslide. They already have awards for the best offensive players, correct? I just don't see how Judge was more valuable. Which is why you don't let idiot sports writers vote for this shit. How in the FUCK a reliver from New York was a unanimous first ballot hall of famer and someone didn't vote for the greatest Center Fielder of his generation? That was enough for me. Edgar barely gets in? Because he was a DH? Pretty sure I read that he played more innings on defense that Mariano pitched in, but one is a no brainer and the other barely gets in. Fuck the Yankees and fuck Baseball writers.

[Big_Maple]

National league MVP is a Dodger.

American League MVP is a Yankee.

Shocking. Sort of. Not at all.

It's about as shocking as discovering that the villain in a James Bond film might have a needlessly convoluted and easily foiled master plan.

It's less surprising than finding out that your dentist, who spends all day hovering over open human mouths, listens exclusively to smooth jazz.

It's just the established, deeply unsettling order of things.

[D-train]

Comparing the MVP vote to a dentist listening to jazz music has to be the most bizarre analogy I've ever heard LOL

[Michael K.]

It's about as shocking as discovering that the villain in a James Bond film might have a needlessly convoluted and easily foiled master plan.

LOL, I am going to kill you, but first, I am going to waste all kinds of time telling you how I am going to kill you, and right before I kill you? I will have wasted so much time you are able to free yourself.

[tehmc]

National league MVP is a Dodger.

American League MVP is a Yankee.

Shocking. Sort of. Not at all.

It's about as shocking as discovering that the villain in a James Bond film might have a needlessly convoluted and easily foiled master plan.

It's less surprising than finding out that your dentist, who spends all day hovering over open human mouths, listens exclusively to smooth jazz.

It's just the established, deeply unsettling order of things.

National League MVP is a Dodger
Yeah but he deserved it, there really wasn't a case for anyone else

American League MVP is a Yankee
I get what you're saying but your point seems to be that Cal Raleigh was the clear and only choice and it wasn't like that. Aaron Judge and Cal Raleigh both had very strong cases for MVP. I would have voted for Cal because he did things never done before by a Catcher and Judge did things that haven't been done since....last year but that could also be my bias showing too. Overall Judge had much better stats than Cal and thats more the reason he won than East Coast vs West Coast.

It's less surprising than finding out that your dentist, who spends all day hovering over open human mouths, listens exclusively to smooth jazz.
I work almost exclusively with Dentists and this isn't true, they listen to smooth jazz because as background noise it can be calming and has a very low chance of offending a patient with lyrics. Most of the time once the patients are gone they change the station.

Its hard to sell yourself as a Family Dental office when there is a chance a song about "Big Booty Hoes" might come on at any minute.

[Big_Maple]

Its hard to sell yourself as a Family Dental office when there is a chance a song about "Big Booty Hoes" might come on at any minute.

Hahahaha! Smackdown!!

I’m really just saying that the combination of massive payrolls (2nd and 3rd in baseball) does have an impact.

Rumor has it the Dodgers are targeting Kyle Tucker this offseason. Shocking.

My metaphors were obviously ridiculous - simply making the point that I could not be less surprised that a Dodger and Yankee won MVP awards. Apologies to all dentists and dentist apologists in the audience.

My James Bond reference is irrefutable though!

[Michael K.]

It was a close race. Would have been really cool if two votes would have flipped making it a tie.
Am I disappointed? Sure, but, personal biases aside, its hard to have much of a problem with this either way. No one was robbed. It just came down to a judgment call of whether or not being a catcher has enough value to overcome Judges clearly superior offensive season. Even fWAR which is known for giving a high value to catchers defense still had Judge with a better season.

Then just put together a series of advanced stats and give the MVP to the guy that scores the highest in all of those advanced stats. His value was one sided. There was a real good video I saw a couple of days ago that broke down that he does nothing on the bases and nothing in the field, and Cal had an impact in both of those. So stop calling it most valuable.

[Donn Beach]

Is it just me, does Ohtani seem to have the NL MVP locked up for the foreseeable future? I can't envision someone ever having a better season than him. It's interesting though Judge and Ohtani are virtually tied in fWAR over the last four seasons