The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed May 27, 2026 3:05 pm

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It’s a fine plan. I agree that we need a new DH, and whether that comes through trade, or internally through promotion I don’t care. I do think the penny conscious M’s would eat Ref’s contract at this point (or by the trade deadline) to make it happen.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

Castillo is not going anywhere. He has one more year after this one on his contract with ~ $45MM left. There is no way on god's green earth that they are going to relegate him to a bullpen role, even as a long reliever. He will piggyback, at best. What we, as fans, would want to see happen, and what will actually happen are light years apart. He has more than 5 years of service, so he can't be optioned to AAA (unless he agrees to it). And no one is going to want him, unless the M's eat contract and throw in prospects - which they won't. We are all delusional if we think that will happen.

Look at what the M's did with King Felix. It was obvious that he was a hollow shell of his former self the last 2 years of his contract. But the M's did not trade him - they tried coaching him, they tried working with pitch movement rather than velo, they strategically managed his workload, and only once did they send him to the bullpen (where his pitched 4 innings for Paxton in a single game and then got moved back into the rotation). So all of these fantasy trade proposals where the M's eat $20MM and throw in 3 prospects to land an Alex Bregman are pure fantasy - never gonna happen. He will stay in the starting rotation unless he gets hit by a bus. Who know - maybe he is more coachable than King Felix ever was.

And for the record - I agree with GL_Storm. I have long thought Miller is the best trade chip from the starting rotation. I have been worried about the bone spur in his throwing arm, and that it will land him on the IL for a long time sooner rather than later. Trade him now while he is healthy and has trade value. But even then, I doubt that's some Mariners management would ever want to do.
The M's were in a completely different position team wise with Felix than they are with Castillo.

1. They didn't have a glutton of starting pitching with 2x more top 30 prospects in baseball on the horizon.
2. In his final years they were falling out of contention window with an aging roster, not getting into it.
3. Felix was not the 7th best starting pitcher in their organization. They were starting Wade Leblanc, Erasmo Ramirez, and Roenis Elias.

Who on earth has suggested Luis Castillo and top prospects for Alex Bregman? (maybe you're referring to Bil and I corrected that lunacy quickly) Literally every person who has suggested the M's trade Castillo understands the M's would have to eat money and likely attach a prospect to get a reliever or minor piece back. I think it's ludicrous that you believe he doesn't have any sort of trade value. As mentioned, if the M's were to eat a large portion of his contract... which would be more like $35M, not $45M (no team is letting him vest his option in '27)... the M's could eat $15M of that and a team like the Nationals could clearly use a veteran, back end starter.

Trading Bryce Miller given what he's shown thus far in '26 would be organizational suicide. Especially with Logan Gilbert regressing and a free agent after next season. Miller is averaging 97 mph on his fastball... far and away the best in his career. His stuff appears to have taken a massive leap. You don't trade that cheap control.
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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by Donn Beach » Wed May 27, 2026 3:20 pm

All you would have to do is trade Castillo for another similar contract. I suggested Jeff McNeil over the off season when they needed infield depth. Poke around for a current possibility

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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed May 27, 2026 3:25 pm

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All you would have to do is trade Castillo for another similar contract. I suggested Jeff McNeil over the off season when they needed infield depth. Poke around for a current possibility
I don't think the M's are interested in bringing on dead weight. They'd likely have to take on another year of a player on an upside down contract... Matt Chapman, Marcus Semien are on similar deals with a little more time remaining...

But they were already burned by bringing back Haniger.

Just eat some cash and move him if you feel like you don't want to put him in the pen cause he's gonna pout.

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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by D-train » Wed May 27, 2026 3:32 pm

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Mariners trade RHP Teddy McGraw and RHP Michael Morales to the Astros for DH Christian Walker and $10M cash.

It is very clear the M's are missing a lethal right handed DH. Refsnyder is a failed project so the M's try again. Some might scoff at the idea of Christian Walker given that he's owed $20M in 2027 and his struggles in '25. That said, Walker put up a .799 second half OPS in '25 and is currently slashing to an .879 OPS with 15 bombs and league-leading 40 RBI's. He's basically been raking for a year now. Walker can also spell Naylor on days vs tough lefties at 1B. Is he old? Yeah. Is it a risk? Sorta... the $10M back from the Astros would eat half his remaining salary this year and $5M next year making him pretty affordable if he hits. But he's basically been good for 25-30 bombs and a .800+ OPS every year running. The Astros are headed for a rebuild and need to shed some cash. McGraw and Morales are older pitchers that could help with their rotation depth sooner rather than later.

Mariners DFA DH Rob Refsynder and call up OF Brennan Davis.

Davis gets his MLB chance, pushing Ref off the roster and Robles as a late-inning pinch hitter/defensive replacement. Davis has continued his torrid Spring Training with a very hot start in AAA. He has an 1.146 OPS vs lefties and would be a perfect platoon split with Canzone/Raley.

Mariners move RHP Luis Castillo to the bullpen full time.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

1. Brendan Donovan 3B
2. Julio Rodriguez CF
3. Randy Arozarena LF
4. Christian Walker DH
5. Cal Raleigh C
6. Josh Naylor 1B
7. Canzone/Raley or Davis/Robles
8. Cole Young 2B
9. Colt Emerson SS

Util: JP Crawford, C: Mitch Garver and the outfielders on a given day.

1. Bryan Woo
2. George Kirby
3. Logan Gilbert
4. Emerson Hancock
5. Bryce Miller

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Jose Ferrer, Eduard Bazardo
ML/LL: Gabe Spierer, Cooper Criswell, Alex Hoppe, Luis Castillo
I love it but I am just not convinced the Astros are willing to tank yet especially for 2 nothing burger prospects. Who else are you kicking to the curb since you are adding Davis and Walker and only dumping Ref? Thanks.
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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed May 27, 2026 3:43 pm

D-train wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 3:32 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 2:40 am
Mariners trade RHP Teddy McGraw and RHP Michael Morales to the Astros for DH Christian Walker and $10M cash.

It is very clear the M's are missing a lethal right handed DH. Refsnyder is a failed project so the M's try again. Some might scoff at the idea of Christian Walker given that he's owed $20M in 2027 and his struggles in '25. That said, Walker put up a .799 second half OPS in '25 and is currently slashing to an .879 OPS with 15 bombs and league-leading 40 RBI's. He's basically been raking for a year now. Walker can also spell Naylor on days vs tough lefties at 1B. Is he old? Yeah. Is it a risk? Sorta... the $10M back from the Astros would eat half his remaining salary this year and $5M next year making him pretty affordable if he hits. But he's basically been good for 25-30 bombs and a .800+ OPS every year running. The Astros are headed for a rebuild and need to shed some cash. McGraw and Morales are older pitchers that could help with their rotation depth sooner rather than later.

Mariners DFA DH Rob Refsynder and call up OF Brennan Davis.

Davis gets his MLB chance, pushing Ref off the roster and Robles as a late-inning pinch hitter/defensive replacement. Davis has continued his torrid Spring Training with a very hot start in AAA. He has an 1.146 OPS vs lefties and would be a perfect platoon split with Canzone/Raley.

Mariners move RHP Luis Castillo to the bullpen full time.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

1. Brendan Donovan 3B
2. Julio Rodriguez CF
3. Randy Arozarena LF
4. Christian Walker DH
5. Cal Raleigh C
6. Josh Naylor 1B
7. Canzone/Raley or Davis/Robles
8. Cole Young 2B
9. Colt Emerson SS

Util: JP Crawford, C: Mitch Garver and the outfielders on a given day.

1. Bryan Woo
2. George Kirby
3. Logan Gilbert
4. Emerson Hancock
5. Bryce Miller

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Jose Ferrer, Eduard Bazardo
ML/LL: Gabe Spierer, Cooper Criswell, Alex Hoppe, Luis Castillo
I love it but I am just not convinced the Astros are willing to tank yet especially for 2 nothing burger prospects. Who else are you kicking to the curb since you are adding Davis and Walker and only dumping Ref? Thanks.
I think they'll DFA Pereda and perhaps option Hoppe if moving Castillo to the pen. Was really just throwing around what could look like a good overall lineup/club.

I don't think trading Walker means the Astros are tanking. They're likely looking at trying a soft rebuild IMO. Because of Walker's age and money, he's frankly a likely trade candidate at the break for a contender looking for a bat. Regardless of his stats, the contract is still under water and getting back 2x pitching prospects from a top 5 farm in baseball seems like appropriate compensation.

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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by D-train » Wed May 27, 2026 3:45 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 2:47 pm
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Wed May 27, 2026 6:27 am
I think the move could be Bryce Miller, with the idea of bringing back a pretty significant piece. I don't know what that piece is but I think if you're willing to make that move it probably opens up a lot of possibilities.
Why though? Why would you trade a young pitcher with 3.5 years of cheap control who seems to have hit his stride with his stuff?

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The kid is averaging 97 mph on his fastball and hitters look super uncomfortable in the box against him.

I mean, all this in favor of making Luis Castillo happy? A now, no. 7 starter in your organization? Get rid of him or move him to the pen.
Yeah I do not like these suggestions with a blanket lets trade one of our top young starter for I have no idea who or which position player they are going to replace but lets just do it. :roll:
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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by D-train » Wed May 27, 2026 3:57 pm

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Wed May 27, 2026 2:50 pm
It’s a fine plan. I agree that we need a new DH, and whether that comes through trade, or internally through promotion I don’t care. I do think the penny conscious M’s would eat Ref’s contract at this point (or by the trade deadline) to make it happen.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

Castillo is not going anywhere. He has one more year after this one on his contract with ~ $45MM left. There is no way on god's green earth that they are going to relegate him to a bullpen role, even as a long reliever. He will piggyback, at best. What we, as fans, would want to see happen, and what will actually happen are light years apart. He has more than 5 years of service, so he can't be optioned to AAA (unless he agrees to it). And no one is going to want him, unless the M's eat contract and throw in prospects - which they won't. We are all delusional if we think that will happen.

Look at what the M's did with King Felix. It was obvious that he was a hollow shell of his former self the last 2 years of his contract. But the M's did not trade him - they tried coaching him, they tried working with pitch movement rather than velo, they strategically managed his workload, and only once did they send him to the bullpen (where his pitched 4 innings for Paxton in a single game and then got moved back into the rotation). So all of these fantasy trade proposals where the M's eat $20MM and throw in 3 prospects to land an Alex Bregman are pure fantasy - never gonna happen. He will stay in the starting rotation unless he gets hit by a bus. Who know - maybe he is more coachable than King Felix ever was.

And for the record - I agree with GL_Storm. I have long thought Miller is the best trade chip from the starting rotation. I have been worried about the bone spur in his throwing arm, and that it will land him on the IL for a long time sooner rather than later. Trade him now while he is healthy and has trade value. But even then, I doubt that's some Mariners management would ever want to do.
Same comment. If you want to trade Miller fine but please come up with a trade that makes sense otherwise it is pointless drivel.
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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed May 27, 2026 4:02 pm

D-train wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 3:57 pm
Big_Maple wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 2:50 pm
It’s a fine plan. I agree that we need a new DH, and whether that comes through trade, or internally through promotion I don’t care. I do think the penny conscious M’s would eat Ref’s contract at this point (or by the trade deadline) to make it happen.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

Castillo is not going anywhere. He has one more year after this one on his contract with ~ $45MM left. There is no way on god's green earth that they are going to relegate him to a bullpen role, even as a long reliever. He will piggyback, at best. What we, as fans, would want to see happen, and what will actually happen are light years apart. He has more than 5 years of service, so he can't be optioned to AAA (unless he agrees to it). And no one is going to want him, unless the M's eat contract and throw in prospects - which they won't. We are all delusional if we think that will happen.

Look at what the M's did with King Felix. It was obvious that he was a hollow shell of his former self the last 2 years of his contract. But the M's did not trade him - they tried coaching him, they tried working with pitch movement rather than velo, they strategically managed his workload, and only once did they send him to the bullpen (where his pitched 4 innings for Paxton in a single game and then got moved back into the rotation). So all of these fantasy trade proposals where the M's eat $20MM and throw in 3 prospects to land an Alex Bregman are pure fantasy - never gonna happen. He will stay in the starting rotation unless he gets hit by a bus. Who know - maybe he is more coachable than King Felix ever was.

And for the record - I agree with GL_Storm. I have long thought Miller is the best trade chip from the starting rotation. I have been worried about the bone spur in his throwing arm, and that it will land him on the IL for a long time sooner rather than later. Trade him now while he is healthy and has trade value. But even then, I doubt that's some Mariners management would ever want to do.
Same comment. If you want to trade Miller fine but please come up with a trade that makes sense otherwise it is pointless drivel.
Plus the Mariners are going to have no choice but to do something with Castillo at some point.

Kade Anderson is not going to spend '27 rotting in the minors.

And they STILL are going to have the same "problem" rolling into next year 5 pitchers set in the rotation.

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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by D-train » Wed May 27, 2026 4:07 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 3:43 pm
D-train wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 3:32 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 2:40 am
Mariners trade RHP Teddy McGraw and RHP Michael Morales to the Astros for DH Christian Walker and $10M cash.

It is very clear the M's are missing a lethal right handed DH. Refsnyder is a failed project so the M's try again. Some might scoff at the idea of Christian Walker given that he's owed $20M in 2027 and his struggles in '25. That said, Walker put up a .799 second half OPS in '25 and is currently slashing to an .879 OPS with 15 bombs and league-leading 40 RBI's. He's basically been raking for a year now. Walker can also spell Naylor on days vs tough lefties at 1B. Is he old? Yeah. Is it a risk? Sorta... the $10M back from the Astros would eat half his remaining salary this year and $5M next year making him pretty affordable if he hits. But he's basically been good for 25-30 bombs and a .800+ OPS every year running. The Astros are headed for a rebuild and need to shed some cash. McGraw and Morales are older pitchers that could help with their rotation depth sooner rather than later.

Mariners DFA DH Rob Refsynder and call up OF Brennan Davis.

Davis gets his MLB chance, pushing Ref off the roster and Robles as a late-inning pinch hitter/defensive replacement. Davis has continued his torrid Spring Training with a very hot start in AAA. He has an 1.146 OPS vs lefties and would be a perfect platoon split with Canzone/Raley.

Mariners move RHP Luis Castillo to the bullpen full time.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

1. Brendan Donovan 3B
2. Julio Rodriguez CF
3. Randy Arozarena LF
4. Christian Walker DH
5. Cal Raleigh C
6. Josh Naylor 1B
7. Canzone/Raley or Davis/Robles
8. Cole Young 2B
9. Colt Emerson SS

Util: JP Crawford, C: Mitch Garver and the outfielders on a given day.

1. Bryan Woo
2. George Kirby
3. Logan Gilbert
4. Emerson Hancock
5. Bryce Miller

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Jose Ferrer, Eduard Bazardo
ML/LL: Gabe Spierer, Cooper Criswell, Alex Hoppe, Luis Castillo
I love it but I am just not convinced the Astros are willing to tank yet especially for 2 nothing burger prospects. Who else are you kicking to the curb since you are adding Davis and Walker and only dumping Ref? Thanks.
I think they'll DFA Pereda and perhaps option Hoppe if moving Castillo to the pen. Was really just throwing around what could look like a good overall lineup/club.

I don't think trading Walker means the Astros are tanking. They're likely looking at trying a soft rebuild IMO. Because of Walker's age and money, he's frankly a likely trade candidate at the break for a contender looking for a bat. Regardless of his stats, the contract is still under water and getting back 2x pitching prospects from a top 5 farm in baseball seems like appropriate compensation.
I see Wisdom is on the roster now. He would obviously be gone. Tank isn't the right word. They are only a few games back in the WC and playing a lot better so might still want to go for a playoff spot this season. They will obviously reassess in July.
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Re: The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

Post by D-train » Wed May 27, 2026 4:09 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 4:02 pm
D-train wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 3:57 pm
Big_Maple wrote:
Wed May 27, 2026 2:50 pm
It’s a fine plan. I agree that we need a new DH, and whether that comes through trade, or internally through promotion I don’t care. I do think the penny conscious M’s would eat Ref’s contract at this point (or by the trade deadline) to make it happen.

Castillo has value has a potential multi-inning reliever. Have him tick up the stuff a bit and at least try to retain some value in what has turned into a rough contract. This also keeps him on the team... in case of an injury... you can stretch him in AAA for a couple starts and get him back in the rotation. Maybe he finds something in the bullpen that he take take into having confidence as a starter... who knows.

Castillo is not going anywhere. He has one more year after this one on his contract with ~ $45MM left. There is no way on god's green earth that they are going to relegate him to a bullpen role, even as a long reliever. He will piggyback, at best. What we, as fans, would want to see happen, and what will actually happen are light years apart. He has more than 5 years of service, so he can't be optioned to AAA (unless he agrees to it). And no one is going to want him, unless the M's eat contract and throw in prospects - which they won't. We are all delusional if we think that will happen.

Look at what the M's did with King Felix. It was obvious that he was a hollow shell of his former self the last 2 years of his contract. But the M's did not trade him - they tried coaching him, they tried working with pitch movement rather than velo, they strategically managed his workload, and only once did they send him to the bullpen (where his pitched 4 innings for Paxton in a single game and then got moved back into the rotation). So all of these fantasy trade proposals where the M's eat $20MM and throw in 3 prospects to land an Alex Bregman are pure fantasy - never gonna happen. He will stay in the starting rotation unless he gets hit by a bus. Who know - maybe he is more coachable than King Felix ever was.

And for the record - I agree with GL_Storm. I have long thought Miller is the best trade chip from the starting rotation. I have been worried about the bone spur in his throwing arm, and that it will land him on the IL for a long time sooner rather than later. Trade him now while he is healthy and has trade value. But even then, I doubt that's some Mariners management would ever want to do.
Same comment. If you want to trade Miller fine but please come up with a trade that makes sense otherwise it is pointless drivel.
Plus the Mariners are going to have no choice but to do something with Castillo at some point.

Kade Anderson is not going to spend '27 rotting in the minors.

And they STILL are going to have the same "problem" rolling into next year 5 pitchers set in the rotation.
McGraw is 25.5 yo and pitching in the ACL right now. Not even a prospect imo. Morales is washing out in AA. Just need something better to pique their interest.
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