The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

[DavidGee24]

Gotta love fan trades. "Say, will you give us your borderline all-star player for these two guys we've got in the minors who probably won't ever even make it to The Show? And if we're asking too much, we'll throw in Connor Joe and a bag of dogshit".

It's almost as good as listening to the guys on the radio that get paid for this shit. Yesterday Wyman and Bob were going on and on about how this team compares to last year's, and talking about how it is very similar at this point. Then naming all the crap players we had last year. How is that a good thing? Unless they believe we plan on adding two impact bats like Naylor and Suarez to this team, how is it a good thing that this team is just as shitty at the end of May as last year's team?

Mentioned that Cal had 9 HRs last year and 7 this year. Yep, and he didn't have to come back from an injury.

Isn't Joe and Refsnyder basically Telez and Donny Barrels? Doesn't take much for 2nd to be better than Bliss, but Young has certainly cooled off. Polanco was a better DH, right?

I just don't get the optimism. Being shitty again this year, after being two innings from the World Series is not a good thing!

Absolutely, if you want a championship you have to SEIZE it. Amazon isn't going to just drop it off at our doorstep.

Look at the Seahawks. They're fully aware that they could easily be next year's Eagles which is why they looked at the running back position and said you know what, we need to find the best young guy available and instead of taking a flyer on someone like Nick Chubb they drafted the second-best RB in the draft.

[Seattle or Bust]

Plus the Mariners are going to have no choice but to do something with Castillo at some point.

Kade Anderson is not going to spend '27 rotting in the minors.

And they STILL are going to have the same "problem" rolling into next year 5 pitchers set in the rotation.

McGraw is 25.5 yo and pitching in the ACL right now. Not even a prospect imo. Morales is washing out in AA. Just need something better to pique their interest.

Gotta love fan trades. "Say, will you give us your borderline all-star player for these two guys we've got in the minors who probably won't ever even make it to The Show? And if we're asking too much, we'll throw in Connor Joe and a bag of dogshit".

The A's traded Yonder Alonso and his All Star first half to the Mariners for Boog Powell in 2017.

Alonso was slashing .266/.369/.527 with 22 homers. He was just 30 years old and making just $4 million that year. Powell was the 30th ranked prospect in the Mariners organization.

Walker is 35 years old. Slashing similarly... and will be owed somewhere in the range of $30 million to have him for half a season and at age 36 in 2027. McGraw is ranked 13th in the M's org, Morales 16th... of a top 5 farm in the game. Both pitchers would slot in their top 10 immediately.

Mocking my trade when I have been very accurate in assessing trades is funny to me. I literally predicted 4 of the players moved to Arizona in trades that happened last year and I called out your BS then too. And for the millionth time DavidGee... you're too chicken shit to come with a trade yourself b/c you're too scared of looking vulnerable ever.

[Donn Beach]

I think the move could be Bryce Miller, with the idea of bringing back a pretty significant piece. I don't know what that piece is but I think if you're willing to make that move it probably opens up a lot of possibilities.

Why though? Why would you trade a young pitcher with 3.5 years of cheap control who seems to have hit his stride with his stuff?



The kid is averaging 97 mph on his fastball and hitters look super uncomfortable in the box against him.

I mean, all this in favor of making Luis Castillo happy? A now, no. 7 starter in your organization? Get rid of him or move him to the pen.

It's definitely counterintuitive and for a front office, you have to be prepared for the entire baseball world to turn and look at you like you're riding on the short bus. If it happens, I think it comes about because the piggyback situation becomes intolerable, and if you can't move Castillo then you look at who you CAN trade and what you can get for him.

If it's intolerable then why not just go with a six man rotation?

[Donn Beach]

Gotta love fan trades. "Say, will you give us your borderline all-star player for these two guys we've got in the minors who probably won't ever even make it to The Show? And if we're asking too much, we'll throw in Connor Joe and a bag of dogshit".

It's almost as good as listening to the guys on the radio that get paid for this shit. Yesterday Wyman and Bob were going on and on about how this team compares to last year's, and talking about how it is very similar at this point. Then naming all the crap players we had last year. How is that a good thing? Unless they believe we plan on adding two impact bats like Naylor and Suarez to this team, how is it a good thing that this team is just as shitty at the end of May as last year's team?

Mentioned that Cal had 9 HRs last year and 7 this year. Yep, and he didn't have to come back from an injury.

Isn't Joe and Refsnyder basically Telez and Donny Barrels? Doesn't take much for 2nd to be better than Bliss, but Young has certainly cooled off. Polanco was a better DH, right?

I just don't get the optimism. Being shitty again this year, after being two innings from the World Series is not a good thing!

Absolutely, if you want a championship you have to SEIZE it. Amazon isn't going to just drop it off at our doorstep.

Look at the Seahawks. They're fully aware that they could easily be next year's Eagles which is why they looked at the running back position and said you know what, we need to find the best young guy available and instead of taking a flyer on someone like Nick Chubb they drafted the second-best RB in the draft.

Wouldn't seizing the moment for the Seahawks have meant keeping Walker?

[Seattle or Bust]

Why though? Why would you trade a young pitcher with 3.5 years of cheap control who seems to have hit his stride with his stuff?



The kid is averaging 97 mph on his fastball and hitters look super uncomfortable in the box against him.

I mean, all this in favor of making Luis Castillo happy? A now, no. 7 starter in your organization? Get rid of him or move him to the pen.

It's definitely counterintuitive and for a front office, you have to be prepared for the entire baseball world to turn and look at you like you're riding on the short bus. If it happens, I think it comes about because the piggyback situation becomes intolerable, and if you can't move Castillo then you look at who you CAN trade and what you can get for him.

If it's intolerable then why not just go with a six man rotation?

1) You're ruining the rhythm of a 4-day rest.

2) You're keeping your best pitchers from pitching with more frequency.

3) You're keeping your worst pitching in the rotation for what reason at all? Cause he's making some money?

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, but teams do it, the dodgers do it. Its not the end of the world. Again, if piggyback is intolerable then use a six man.

[Seattle or Bust]

Yeah, but teams do it, the dodgers do it. Its not the end of the world. Again, if piggyback is intolerable then use a six man.

The Dodgers have the talent and depth to do it.

They also have a very specific reason for doing it. They have like 4 pitchers coming off Tommy John or have had Tommy John recently in their current rotation. They also have the most valuable player in the world on their team who they are very much trying to limit fatigue for as he both pitches and DH's and has a significant injury history.

The M's don't have the same luxury. Yes they have the pitching depth. But their lineup can't make up for the poor pitching every 6th start.

[Donn Beach]

OK, if piggybacking is intolerable and a six man rotation is intolerable then what do they do?

[Seattle or Bust]

OK, if piggybacking is intolerable and a six man rotation is intolerable then what do they do?

They move him to the bullpen, trade him, or DFA him.

I don't understand why he HAS to start if he's a bad pitcher.

This is about winning is it not?

Players lose their jobs for poor performance all the time and Castillo's abilities have fallen way off.

My idea is to move him to the bullpen as a guy who can go 2-3 innings every few days. That keeps him semi stretched out and in case of injury, you can stretch him back out to start.

I don't get why that's not in consideration.

[Donn Beach]

OK, if piggybacking is intolerable and a six man rotation is intolerable then what do they do?

They move him to the bullpen, trade him, or DFA him.

I don't understand why he HAS to start if he's a bad pitcher.

This is about winning is it not?

Players lose their jobs for poor performance all the time and Castillo's abilities have fallen way off.

My idea is to move him to the bullpen as a guy who can go 2-3 innings every few days. That keeps him semi stretched out and in case of injury, you can stretch him back out to start.

I don't get why that's not in consideration.

Piggybscking is moving him to the bullpen, that's what it is. And it worked, they won the game and saved the BP. I think too much is being made of his getting upset. I really don't think it's that big a deal.