The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

[D-train]

Same comment. If you want to trade Miller fine but please come up with a trade that makes sense otherwise it is pointless drivel.

I already came up with my plan. See another thread.

My point is simply if we are going to trade from a starting rotation, then Miller is the one that other teams would be interested in, that would net some decent return, and would free up the log jam in our starting rotation. Assuming other teams are distracted by his 97 mph fastball (a fungible skill, to be sure) and overlook or willingly accept the risk of bone spurs in an elbow, then maybe he's the odd man out.

To wave your hand and glibly claim this as "pointless drivel" is intellectually lazy, and feels kind of troll-y.

Sorry, if that was the first time I saw someone suggest trading starting pitching for a bat without providing a possible return I probably would have let it slide but I have probably seen it hundreds of times. We have a surplus of starting pitching and could use another bat . Nothing new whatsoever other than you think Miller is damaged goods which is a reasonable opinion but overall to me that is lazy. Also suggesting promoting our #18 prospect to be our new UT despite him being on the IL and having very mid numbers for the PCL is pretty lazy imo as well.

I am not trolling you, just asking you to consider providing more thorough and impactful plans.... All good. I Appreciate the effort and content.

[D-train]

btw its not hard to come up with a trade involving Miller. This took me about 2 minutes...

[D-train]

OK, if piggybacking is intolerable and a six man rotation is intolerable then what do they do?

They move him to the bullpen, trade him, or DFA him.

I don't understand why he HAS to start if he's a bad pitcher.

This is about winning is it not?

Players lose their jobs for poor performance all the time and Castillo's abilities have fallen way off.

My idea is to move him to the bullpen as a guy who can go 2-3 innings every few days. That keeps him semi stretched out and in case of injury, you can stretch him back out to start.

I don't get why that's not in consideration.

To me moving him to the pen is by far the best option.

1. Stanton will never eat the ~$40M left on his contract
2. You don't have to engage in a pure salary dump trade
3. You get him out of rotation
4. His stuff plays up in an inning or two instead of 5-6
5. Who cares if he is pissed off. He is pissed off already and pitching well...

[D-train]

OK, if piggybacking is intolerable and a six man rotation is intolerable then what do they do?

They move him to the bullpen, trade him, or DFA him.

I don't understand why he HAS to start if he's a bad pitcher.

This is about winning is it not?

Players lose their jobs for poor performance all the time and Castillo's abilities have fallen way off.

My idea is to move him to the bullpen as a guy who can go 2-3 innings every few days. That keeps him semi stretched out and in case of injury, you can stretch him back out to start.

I don't get why that's not in consideration.

And why do we have to keep him stretched out because of injury. Why do they think another starter is going to get injured any minute and if one does then I know a guy in AA that is pretty good and can step in and start any time!

[D-train]

OK, if piggybacking is intolerable and a six man rotation is intolerable then what do they do?

They move him to the bullpen, trade him, or DFA him.

I don't understand why he HAS to start if he's a bad pitcher.

This is about winning is it not?

Players lose their jobs for poor performance all the time and Castillo's abilities have fallen way off.

My idea is to move him to the bullpen as a guy who can go 2-3 innings every few days. That keeps him semi stretched out and in case of injury, you can stretch him back out to start.

I don't get why that's not in consideration.

Piggybscking is moving him to the bullpen, that's what it is. And it worked, they won the game and saved the BP. I think too much is being made of his getting upset. I really don't think it's that big a deal.

FYI they last the game they moved him to the pen because they idiotically were obsessed with getting his pitch count where they wanted it to be instead of winning the game. They won the game that he started but he was pissed any way so it accomplished nothing in terms of appeasing him.

[Donn Beach]

The fact is it's been working

Castillo owns a 2.84 ERA with 10 strike outs in 6.1 innings through the Mariners piggyback plan so far. Miller has a 1.69 ERA with 11 strike out in 10.2 innings

[bpj]

The fact is it's been working

Castillo owns a 2.84 ERA with 10 strike outs in 6.1 innings through the Mariners piggyback plan so far. Miller has a 1.69 ERA with 11 strike out in 10.2 innings

Amazing what happens when you make him actually compete for his job.

[HawkandMariner88]

btw its not hard to come up with a trade involving Miller. This took me about 2 minutes...

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If I'm trading for anybody right now it's definitely a better RH platoon bat for the OF & it ain't Trout. How about the guy that robbed 3 potential HR for us in Mr. Adell. He'd probably be a much better option then Refsnyder & possibly even Robles. In a short sample size (69 PAs) he's got a line of .274/.319/.597/.916. We know Angels aren't doing shit this year & he ain't no superstar by any means. Doesn't mean I'm giving up a premium prospect for him either. Definitely could spell Raley out there in RF. DT see what kind of trade you can work out on BTV if you could please.

[DavidGee24]

McGraw is 25.5 yo and pitching in the ACL right now. Not even a prospect imo. Morales is washing out in AA. Just need something better to pique their interest.

Gotta love fan trades. "Say, will you give us your borderline all-star player for these two guys we've got in the minors who probably won't ever even make it to The Show? And if we're asking too much, we'll throw in Connor Joe and a bag of dogshit".

The A's traded Yonder Alonso and his All Star first half to the Mariners for Boog Powell in 2017.

Alonso was slashing .266/.369/.527 with 22 homers. He was just 30 years old and making just $4 million that year. Powell was the 30th ranked prospect in the Mariners organization.

Walker is 35 years old. Slashing similarly... and will be owed somewhere in the range of $30 million to have him for half a season and at age 36 in 2027. McGraw is ranked 13th in the M's org, Morales 16th... of a top 5 farm in the game. Both pitchers would slot in their top 10 immediately.

Mocking my trade when I have been very accurate in assessing trades is funny to me. I literally predicted 4 of the players moved to Arizona in trades that happened last year and I called out your BS then too. And for the millionth time DavidGee... you're too chicken shit to come with a trade yourself b/c you're too scared of looking vulnerable ever.

False equivalency. The Astros are rich, the A's are poor. Walker has had a great career and isn't done yet. Alonso had a fluky 2/3 of a season in a so-so career and was out of baseball two years later. Powell actually had a taste of The Show (albeit briefly). McGraw and Morales might not ever make it, especially Morales.

And PUH-LEEZE you didn't predict squat. Everyone knew we were going after Naylor and Suarez and by the time the trades were made we all had a good idea who was going.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to head to the County Recorder's Office to file yet another Deed Of Trust on owning your ass.

[DavidGee24]

Look at the Seahawks. They're fully aware that they could easily be next year's Eagles which is why they looked at the running back position and said you know what, we need to find the best young guy available and instead of taking a flyer on someone like Nick Chubb they drafted the second-best RB in the draft.

Wouldn't seizing the moment for the Seahawks have meant keeping Walker?

It could have, but considering what they would have had to pay to outbid the Chefs and Walker's injury history it probably wasn't that difficult a choice. Price is younger, cheaper, and hopefully as good.