The Other Mariners Midseason Master Plan

[Big_Maple]

What are you yawning at?

I'm providing actual stats... you're providing nothing but "I say he's mashing" and **yawn** ???

A .761 OPS for a 26 year old in AAA... yuck.

Am I taking crazy pills here or something?

Yeah, yawn. This bores me.

But hey - disagree away. Rodden is emphatically not the next Ketel Marte. But compared to Refsnyder, he's an upgrade.

Rob Refsnyder’s 2026 MLB slash line is .122/.200/.243 with an OPS of .443, 3 home runs, and 8 runs batted in, while Brock Rodden’s 2026 MiLB slash line is .263/.321/.439 with an OPS of .760, 7 home runs, and 38 runs batted in. His OPS is 200 points higher, for chrissake.

Of course there is no guarantee this translates to MLB success, but what the hell...give the kid a shot. It costs us zero except for the cost of eating Refsynder's contract which we would have to do not matter what warm body we call up.

Do I have to die on the hill planting a Brock Rodden flag? No. Do I believe that Ref has had a shot and is a liability at this point? Hell, yeah.

If your beef is with the guy I say we call up to replace Refsnyder, then suggest an alternative. If your beef is with the notion that Refsnyder should be replaced, then fine. It's not like it's either of our decision to make anyhoo.

[D-train]

What are you yawning at?

I'm providing actual stats... you're providing nothing but "I say he's mashing" and **yawn** ???

A .761 OPS for a 26 year old in AAA... yuck.

Am I taking crazy pills here or something?

Yeah, yawn. This bores me.

But hey - disagree away. Rodden is emphatically not the next Ketel Marte. But compared to Refsnyder, he's an upgrade.

Rob Refsnyder’s 2026 MLB slash line is .122/.200/.243 with an OPS of .443, 3 home runs, and 8 runs batted in, while Brock Rodden’s 2026 MiLB slash line is .263/.321/.439 with an OPS of .760, 7 home runs, and 38 runs batted in. His OPS is 200 points higher, for chrissake.

Of course there is no guarantee this translates to MLB success, but what the hell...give the kid a shot. It costs us zero except for the cost of eating Refsynder's contract which we would have to do not matter what warm body we call up.

Do I have to die on the hill planting a Brock Rodden flag? No. Do I believe that Ref has had a shot and is a liability at this point? Hell, yeah.

If your beef is with the guy I say we call up to replace Refsnyder, then suggest an alternative. If your beef is with the notion that Refsnyder should be replaced, then fine. It's not like it's either of our decision to make anyhoo.

.317 points higher!

[Big_Maple]

.317 points higher!

Not mathing well today.

But maybe 200 when you account for the hitter friendly PCL and the transitional plummet he will take if they promote him to MLB,.

[D-train]

.317 points higher!

Not mathing well today.

But maybe 200 when you account for the hitter friendly PCL and the transitional plummet he will take if they promote him to MLB,.

Regardless, like Davis there is zero chance either would be worse than Ref but of course Jerry is holding out desperately praying that he will magically revert to his 2024-25 self despite no longer hitting in Fenway....

[Seattle or Bust]

What are you yawning at?

I'm providing actual stats... you're providing nothing but "I say he's mashing" and **yawn** ???

A .761 OPS for a 26 year old in AAA... yuck.

Am I taking crazy pills here or something?

Yeah, yawn. This bores me.

But hey - disagree away. Rodden is emphatically not the next Ketel Marte. But compared to Refsnyder, he's an upgrade.

Rob Refsnyder’s 2026 MLB slash line is .122/.200/.243 with an OPS of .443, 3 home runs, and 8 runs batted in, while Brock Rodden’s 2026 MiLB slash line is .263/.321/.439 with an OPS of .760, 7 home runs, and 38 runs batted in. His OPS is 200 points higher, for chrissake.

Of course there is no guarantee this translates to MLB success, but what the hell...give the kid a shot. It costs us zero except for the cost of eating Refsynder's contract which we would have to do not matter what warm body we call up.

Do I have to die on the hill planting a Brock Rodden flag? No. Do I believe that Ref has had a shot and is a liability at this point? Hell, yeah.

If your beef is with the guy I say we call up to replace Refsnyder, then suggest an alternative. If your beef is with the notion that Refsnyder should be replaced, then fine. It's not like it's either of our decision to make anyhoo.

Ok great - then frame it that way.

I don't really know how I'm supposed to respond to Rodden being a logical choice when you frame it in a way that isn't true.

If what is true is that you believe he'd be an upgrade to what Ref is capable of and that he'd be a good utility player then fine... I might not agree. But I won't have to feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I check his stats and it doesn't line up with why he should be up here.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

Wow, personal insults over a trade prediction disagreement on a small-time sports forum.

I'll just say this... If you don't know what introspection is, you should take a long, hard look at yourself.

Actually, one more thing: If you get so mad at someone on an online forum (where the point is to bandy about thoughts that you want to share) that you pick out personal details about their life that they've chosen to share with you and turn it back on them... You are most certainly a loser, with nothing going on in his own life, so you redirect your shame at faceless acquaintances online.

I wish there was a good Mariners forum, but there isn't.

[Big_Maple]

I don't really know how I'm supposed to respond to Rodden being a logical choice when you frame it in a way that isn't true.

I did frame it in way that is true. I also framed it in a way that you disagreed with. Both things can be true, simultaneously.

If what is true is that you believe he'd be an upgrade to what Ref is capable of and that he'd be a good utility player then fine... I might not agree. But I won't have to feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I check his stats and it doesn't line up with why he should be up here.

The 3 best players on the Rainiers right now are Wisdom, Davis and Rodden. Rodden has the second best batting average, 5th best OBP, 3rd best slugging and OPS. He is third in home runs, 5th in stolen bases, 4th in walks, 3rd in runs, and first in RBI. And he has maintained that level of excellence over more games than either Wisdom and Davis. Consistency matters.

He's got a strong 104.5 mph 90th percentile exit velo, he's a pull heavy switch hitter, and he's a solid defender.

I'm not a Rodden evangelist - he's just a dude that should be given a shot to replace Refsnyder who is sucking worse than Sucky McSuck, winner of last year's Suckiest Person in the World Contest.

If you'd rather plug Davis or Wisdom in, that's fine. But I think the argument that Rodden is not crushing it at Tacoma and/or he doesn't deserve a shot at the Bigs is meritless.

[Seattle or Bust]

I don't really know how I'm supposed to respond to Rodden being a logical choice when you frame it in a way that isn't true.

I did frame it in way that is true. I also framed it in a way that you disagreed with. Both things can be true, simultaneously.

If what is true is that you believe he'd be an upgrade to what Ref is capable of and that he'd be a good utility player then fine... I might not agree. But I won't have to feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I check his stats and it doesn't line up with why he should be up here.

The 3 best players on the Rainiers right now are Wisdom, Davis and Rodden. Rodden has the second best batting average, 5th best OBP, 3rd best slugging and OPS. He is third in home runs, 5th in stolen bases, 4th in walks, 3rd in runs, and first in RBI. And he has maintained that level of excellence over more games than either Wisdom and Davis. Consistency matters.

He's got a strong 104.5 mph 90th percentile exit velo, he's a pull heavy switch hitter, and he's a solid defender.

I'm not a Rodden evangelist - he's just a dude that should be given a shot to replace Refsnyder who is sucking worse than Sucky McSuck, winner of last year's Suckiest Person in the World Contest.

If you'd rather plug Davis or Wisdom in, that's fine. But I think the argument that Rodden is not crushing it at Tacoma and/or he doesn't deserve a shot at the Bigs is meritless.

Lol c'mon man...

1) Let's just entertain for a second that he's the third best player on the Rainiers (very arguable that he's not). What does that matter if his OPS is 150 points less than Davis and 400 points less than Wisdom? Those dudes were/are "mashing" in AAA. Who cares about him if he's way worse than the 2 above him? Especially in AAA where only a select few players should be considered for time at the Major League level.

2) Exit velocity is all fine and dandy... I'd rather a 26 year old translate that to results in AAA. Kelenic had an .810 OPS in AAA and is the same age as Rodden lol. Most of the cumulative stats you're naming exist because he's just played more games than everyone on a team where player movement though levels is very normal and most players wont play a full schedule like he has.

3) He's only played more games than Wisdom and Davis b/c Davis got hurt in Spring Training and Wisdom got called up, got hurt, and then rehabbed in Tacoma. Those guys have been way, way more impressive when they've played than Rodden.

4) You're suggesting the M's bring Rodden up to replace Refsnyder. Refsnyder DH's and plays outfield. Rodden is an infielder. You're going to put a 5'7 infielder at DH/OF of an MLB team when he's 8th on his own minor league team in OPS among players who have played at least 20 games? Even if he can play OF (7 games in his MiLB career) it would seem very silly to rely on him there now without way more reps in the minors.

5) Players like Rodden who frankly have no real path the majors as 26 year old AAAA players have to smash the door down to get their shot. He's not even "mashing" as you keep falsely alluding to, let doing anything close to what he needs to do to get the attention of a roster spot on a contending MLB team.

[Big_Maple]

Lol c'mon man...

1) Let's just entertain for a second that he's the third best player on the Rainiers (very arguable that he's not). What does that matter if his OPS is 150 points less than Davis and 400 points less than Wisdom? Those dudes were/are "mashing" in AAA. Who cares about him if he's way worse than the 2 above him? Especially in AAA where only a select few players should be considered for time at the Major League level.

2) Exit velocity is all fine and dandy... I'd rather a 26 year old translate that to results in AAA. Kelenic had an .810 OPS in AAA and is the same age as Rodden lol. Most of the cumulative stats you're naming exist because he's just played more games than everyone on a team where player movement though levels is very normal and most players wont play a full schedule like he has.

3) He's only played more games than Wisdom and Davis b/c Davis got hurt in Spring Training and Wisdom got called up, got hurt, and then rehabbed in Tacoma. Those guys have been way, way more impressive when they've played than Rodden.

4) You're suggesting the M's bring Rodden up to replace Refsnyder. Refsnyder DH's and plays outfield. Rodden is an infielder. You're going to put a 5'7 infielder at DH/OF of an MLB team when he's 8th on his own minor league team in OPS among players who have played at least 20 games? Even if he can play OF (7 games in his MiLB career) it would seem very silly to rely on him there now without way more reps in the minors.

5) Players like Rodden who frankly have no real path the majors as 26 year old AAAA players have to smash the door down to get their shot. He's not even "mashing" as you keep falsely alluding to, let doing anything close to what he needs to do to get the attention of a roster spot on a contending MLB team.

I've never seen a guy get his panties in such a catastrophic wad about a prospect for his own team. It’s basically performance art at this point.

I'm not a Rodden evangelist - he's just a dude that should be given a shot to replace Refsnyder who is sucking worse than Sucky McSuck, winner of last year's Suckiest Person in the World Contest.

If you'd rather plug Davis or Wisdom in, that's fine...

Etc.

[DavidGee24]

I wonder why it is that SoB is so capable of producing a compelling argument with these nice bullet points yet every single time he starts an argument with me he totally chokes ("Yonder Alonso" LOL) and then loses his shit. I guess I'll just keep teaching him about the game and hope it registers. Fingers crossed...