7/9: wrap it up in Miami

[Sibelius Hindemith]

The Mariners just got schooled by a team with some genuine professional hitters. They lit up our "ace" and made him look like just another guy. This team is a fucking train wreck.

[AT Fresno]

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Have the Mariners ever had a leftfielder to boast about?
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Not really...14.8 WAR for Raul Ivanez
: Phil Bradley (or Randy Winn in some rankings) — Bradley had strong early years in the 1980s with roughly 10–12 WAR range in his Mariners tenure (exact splits put him as the historical #2 in many analyses). Winn also had productive LF seasons (~5–8 WAR contribution in key years). Bradley slight winner for #2.
Randy Arozarena's current career WAR (as of mid/late 2026) is approximately 19.7 bWAR. But most of that is as a Tampa Bay Ray. He's climbing the Mariners' all-time LF ranks quickly and could challenge or pass historical leaders like Raúl Ibañez (~14.8 WAR with SEA) if he sustains this production. Great addition for Seattle! But He is likely gone in 2027.

[DavidGee24]

Just had a thought about JP, if he's the second-best shortstop in franchise history, the drop-off from the best (A-Rod) to him is probably the largest at any position in any MLB franchise's history. Can anyone come up with one that's even close?

Griffey and Julio??? Griffey and Cameron??

Those were the first names that popped into my head. Junior and A-Rod were pretty close to equals as players, but Cameron and Julio were/are way better than JP. Julio actually is still capable of ending up in the HOF.

[DavidGee24]

Just had a thought about JP, if he's the second-best shortstop in franchise history, the drop-off from the best (A-Rod) to him is probably the largest at any position in any MLB franchise's history. Can anyone come up with one that's even close?

Craig Reynolds, Spike Owen, Brendan Ryan, Felix Fermin.. lol

Darren, how do you make a list of blah Mariner shortstops and forget you-know-who. The man only has a line named after him.

[DavidGee24]

Just had a thought about JP, if he's the second-best shortstop in franchise history, the drop-off from the best (A-Rod) to him is probably the largest at any position in any MLB franchise's history. Can anyone come up with one that's even close?

#1: Edgar Martinez — 68.4 WAR total (significant early career at 3B before DH)
#2: Kyle Seager — ~37 WAR (longtime 3B staple)
Gap: ~31 WAR. Edgar's bat + longevity crushes it; Seager was very good but not close.

#1: Ken Griffey Jr. — 70.6 WAR (iconic prime with SEA)
#2: Likely Mike Cameron or Julio Rodríguez (emerging, ~25 WAR so far) — well behind.
Gap: 40+ WAR. Griffey is in a stratosphere of his own.

#1: Ichiro Suzuki — 56.4 WAR (dominant)
#2: Jay Buhner or others (~23 WAR range)
Gap: ~33+ WAR. Ichiro's consistency and volume stand out.

Those are three biggest

Edgar I think you have to compare to the second-best DH which is Nelson Cruz, and he had a great career so not that big of a gap there.

Junior we've covered.

I don't think that Ichiro is all that far ahead of Buhner. Buhner's defensive WAR is bullshit, and he had some REALLY productive years.

And just so everyone knows, I'm not talking about their WAR as a Mariner but how great of a player they were as Mariners.

[GL_Storm]

Emerson is performing about as expected.

In Ackley‘s first season up, he had over 300 at bats, hitting over .270 with seven triples, was hitting hard liners all over the place.

And then the league caught up with him. The difference now is the overall level of pitching is way better and there are detailed analytics on every player breaking down strengths and weaknesses better than any scouting report every could.

About 2 weeks ago I pointed out that Emerson had been getting a lot of fastballs and that that was likely to change. This is exactly what's happening to him now.

[bpj]

Run differentials looking wild this season...

[bpj]

A teams record against winning teams is a pretty good indication of their chances in the playoffs imo.

Mariners at 16-27...